I advise anyone and everyone to avoid Normalization at all costs. 

" Chregg "*I don't understand why anyone in the modern world would use anything less than a 32bit fp delivered to mastering. " to be fair most people probably do Drew,,,,,,,, Really? Well, like I said, I don't understand why.,,,,, " what I was meaning Drew was I think most people do give out 32bit fp files for mastering, think we got wires crossed mate

jhonvargas


This looks overly complicated guys.
 
Making good sounding music should be simpler than this.
 
Cheers,
 
Jhon

Making good sound music can be simpler than this.  Recording and mastering, however, are not.
 
 

Lance

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jhonvargas


This looks overly complicated guys.
 
Making good sounding music should be simpler than this.
 
Cheers,
 
Jhon

Making good sound music can be simpler than this.  Recording and mastering, however, are not.
 
 

Making music is subjective and emotional. Engineering is objective and theoretical. A true master is one who opens the right door between the two. 

" Making music is subjective and emotional. Engineering is objective and theoretical. A true master is one who opens the right door between the two. " i like that one

brconflict


I advise anyone and everyone to avoid Normalization at all costs. 

So if you record a track at too low a level and can't bring it up to par with the fader, would you use (Process, Apply affect) Gain instead? Wouldn't that be the same thing?

M_Glenn_M

brconflict


I advise anyone and everyone to avoid Normalization at all costs. 

So if you record a track at too low a level and can't bring it up to par with the fader, would you use (Process, Apply affect) Gain instead? Wouldn't that be the same thing?

Using gain could cause clipping where normalizing can't. Those that do not recommend normalizing could be basing that on old ideas. In the past with 16 bit audio normalizing often meant an increase in noise. That is no longer the case with 24 bit audio and above.  

M_Glenn_M

brconflict


I advise anyone and everyone to avoid Normalization at all costs. 

So if you record a track at too low a level and can't bring it up to par with the fader, would you use (Process, Apply affect) Gain instead? Wouldn't that be the same thing?

I think I see your point. You're referring to a single track, not whole mix? If that's the case, there's no harm in it,although it may not produce the result you want. However, if it's still too quiet, I'd find that Peak and edit it or use a Peak-only limiter. Sonar is OK with dealing with "Overs" at the track level, but you would want to try and avoid this. 

It sounds like the track may be REALLY quiet, rendering it too quiet for acceptable use. Almost all tracks should be tracked/recorded at a "busy" level. 

Would I be mistaken in thinking there would be absolutely no difference if I set normalization (on any track or buss) to peak at -3db (or -6 or whatever) it would be exactly the same as setting the track's or buss' volume slider to -3 db (or whatever)?
IOW, isn't normalization just a shortcut to setting a volume peak manually?
This is a very interesting thread please keep it going.
Quick question...some of you guys seem to be so knowledgeable on the mixing aspect....it seems that you would master your music also...I've never really understood why a ME is put on such a high pedestal if they are initially handed a great mix....but maybe I will after this thread is finished...thanks as always for sharing your wisdom my friends!