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2013/05/07 20:54:02
Guitarpima
Lanceindastudio


only ears can decide this brother.


+1
2013/05/07 22:04:38
arachnaut
sharke


It's funny but even when I roll off everything under 300mHz with a steep curve, the Blue Cat frequency analyzer still shows activity all the way down to 10Hz, but the Vonexgo one shows no activity. So I don't know what's going on down there. As for slope I tend to go no higher than 18 for a roll off. 

Any round-off error in the FFT might contribute a DC constant which would show up as low frequency stuff. Also the various windowing schemes might contribute or minimize - Hanning, Hamming, etc.





Saving the output waveform and importing into Audition shows this:





OK, I can't resist showing what the Console Emulator does:



2013/05/08 00:08:55
AT
A lot of good general guides, but that is all it is.  I've been working on a song w/ guitars but no bass.  The strummed electric and a thumbed acoustic provide the bass.  Guess what, not much filtering going on w/ those two tracks, even tho w/ electric I (almost!) always roll some off the bottom.  Same w/ the backing voice - female.  Usually these get serious roll off - higher and/or steeper than the female lead.  In this song I kept it in, partially because the bv was actually lower than the lead vox and partially the performance.  It sounded better w/ little roll off and it fit the song better.

Know the rules (such as they are) and follow them and know when to break them for the song's benefit.

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2013/05/08 02:54:53
Danny Danzi
sharke


It's funny but even when I roll off everything under 300mHz with a steep curve, the Blue Cat frequency analyzer still shows activity all the way down to 10Hz, but the Vonexgo one shows no activity. So I don't know what's going on down there. As for slope I tend to go no higher than 18 for a roll off. 

Sharke, you're using pro channel right? Next time you try this, right click on one of the empty spaces on PC and select "post". See if your read-out changes.
 
-Danny
2013/05/08 10:08:43
bitflipper
I'd think that any real console that did this was being inexpertly used:



2013/05/08 16:49:23
Rski
I use it in most songs, on the master bus. Usually the other bands are blanked out.

The low end roll off is very finicky on any mix. In my room, standing up will easily reveal if there is too much content there 
2013/05/08 17:37:48
brconflict
I'll do a steep roll-off on every track that was recorded with a mic that doesn't do this naturally. For example, an SM57 won't pick up frequencies so low that they're hurting your mix, but a U47 might. Use your ears, and watch your Spectrum Analyzer, but in my case, I'll rull off a steep curve at 15-20Hz in every buss. 
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