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2013/05/03 11:04:24
pinguinotuerto
Hi everyone,

I've never done this before so I'm hoping I can find some good advice.

When I play my V-Drums (TD-4 brain) I get a very natural response from the Roland module's built-in sounds.  I can play ghost-notes, rolls, etc. I was under the impression that all this midi information would be sent out of the module and recorded into Sonar X2 exactly as I played it.  And I have the feeling it is, but the problem is that when I play back the recorded track through Session Drummer 3, it "sounds" nothing like what I hear through the Roland module.  I'm talking specifically feel-wise, not sound quality.  The Session Drummer software doesn't seem to be able to reproduce the nuances of my playing anywhere near as well as the Roland module.  The sounds in Session Drummer are fine.  I can tweak them and am not unhappy with the quality, it's the reproduction of my performance that I'm not happy with.  Is there a drum mapping tweak that I need to perform?  Are there mapping presets for Session Drummer that are more suitable for people who are actually performing the drum part with electronic drums as opposed to programming the drum tracks?  Please help.  I'm very new at this (MIDI drums).  Thanks in advance!
2013/05/03 12:25:32
SF_Green
Sounds like you need to set your "Input Quantize" to a lower value.  Look for it in the track inspector for the track.  Try setting to a 64th note or just turn Input Quantize off.  See if that fixes your issue.
2013/05/03 12:48:10
pinguinotuerto
Can't find input quantize.
2013/05/03 13:24:50
SF_Green
Highlight the MIDI track for your drums
Make sure Track Inspector is showing (Hit "I" to show if hidden)
Hit the "ProCh" tab
Input Quantize is half-way down in the right pane.


Input Quant SonarX2 



2013/05/03 13:47:13
chuckebaby
just turn snap off.
 
while I totally agree with the above solution, input quantize is not on by default snap is.
 
though ive been wrong before.  :)
2013/05/03 17:50:38
EyjolfurG
I have recorded Roland drums both midi and audio. I have not managed to get similar feel from the midi as the audio is. This is not the timing but has something to do with how midi notes are mapped to the sounds in the EZ-drummer or Session drummer plugin.   The built in hardware Roland synth is better fine tuned to the drums somehow.
2013/05/03 17:56:32
scook
Could it be the number of samples used in the kit? Session Drummer typically has less that 20 samples per drum. Larger Drum synths like BSD and Superior Drummer have many more.
2013/05/03 18:30:05
Bristol_Jonesey
Yep.

BFD kit pieces sometime have as many as 127 sample/velocity levels
2013/05/03 18:37:37
STinGA
I'm sorry but you were are hoping for is not possible in Session Drummer. 

Typically, I use either Superior Drummer or Steven Slate drums to achieve what you are asking.  

I think Session drummer is not sophisticated enough to cope with a real drummers playing.  Sadly the software packages I mentioned are not cheap solutions. 
2013/05/03 19:57:18
SF_Green
Bristol_Jonesey


Yep.

BFD kit pieces sometime have as many as 127 sample/velocity levels

Yeah, if you want more than 20-25 sample layers, it'll cost you.  Even the lite version by the big players have reduced sample layers.  Seems that is a lot of what you are paying for with Superior Drummer, BFD2, and Steven Slate Drums.
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