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  • Recording Levels (p.2)
2013/05/02 12:59:45
konradh
Are you guys saying to keep your master bus in Sonar at-16 or -18?  That can't be right. I shoot for -12 with just bass and kick.
2013/05/02 13:34:00
brconflict
woops, wrong thread, if you saw my last post. DOH!
2013/05/02 13:47:51
Frostysnake
Bristol_Jonesey


One important thing to remember is that you cannot affect the levels coming into Sonar from within Sonar - it's all done at your interface/pre

Correct adjustment of your pre/interface gain should show a healthy level on both sets of meters: as long as you're leaving sufficient headroom you're ok to hit the red button!


+1 ...I missed this when I first started out...this makes for some messed up mixes!
2013/05/03 01:04:11
lawajava
Great thread! Thanks to the OP for the question and the comments.

Appreciate DeeringAmps' nod to the other thread as well.
2013/05/03 01:22:32
SF_Green
DeeringAmps


Here we go again!
You will find the mother of all threads on the subject here.
In general -16 or -18 dbfs (what you see in Sonar) is 0vu (your analog signal); BUT it depends on your equipment.
YOU have to test and calibrate it for your system.
"Record as close to 0dbfs as possible" was the mantra in the 16 bit days.
It was BAD advice then, and is worse now when working at 24 bits.
0vu is/was still -16dbfs at 16 bits (and 24 bit).
Most, if not all, prosumer gear gets "brittle" at high gain levels (the gain necessary to get a 0vu signal to 0dbfs).
Even LOTS of pro gear is running out of usable headroom at that point.
Read the linked thread, there's a wealth of knowledge there...

Tom

Holy crap!  You weren't kidding.  That is the Mother of All Threads -  185 pages!!!   And started in September of 2009.

It's going to turn into this:    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/100_years_war


I'll just pull up a seat and grab a beer!

2013/05/03 05:13:52
Bristol_Jonesey
konradh


Are you guys saying to keep your master bus in Sonar at-16 or -18?  That can't be right. I shoot for -12 with just bass and kick.


No, that's just for individual tracks.

I try to get my mixes - that's the sum of all tracks/busses - to peak no higher than about -9 to -6dB
RMS is a different animal of course, and I try to adhere to K-14 standards
2013/05/03 06:26:52
SF_Green
Bristol_Jonesey


RMS is a different animal of course, and I try to adhere to K-14 standards 

K-14 standards??
2013/05/03 10:15:48
brconflict
K standards were invented by Bob Katz. Google Katz K-System. It's just a guideline from a Mastering Engineer, but useful.
2013/05/03 10:17:48
SF_Green
brconflict


K standards were invented by Bob Katz. Google Katz K-System. It's just a guideline from a Mastering Engineer, but useful.

Will do.  Thanks!
2013/05/03 10:22:25
SF_Green
Ok, so after reading the quickie on Wiki, I clicked the reference link and got this baby (for anyone looking to get into the details)

An Integrated Approach to Metering, Monitoring, and Levelling Practices by Bob Katz

Thanks again.
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