• SONAR
  • Hoping for a stable Sonar. (p.2)
2013/05/01 14:59:54
Bristol_Jonesey
stingie@tstt.net.tt


I have Protools and Sonar on the same PC. PT is still 32 bit. I cannot delete it.

Move them to a folder which Sonar doesn't see when scanning for plugins?
2013/05/01 15:00:43
Frostysnake
Paul P


Why not just delete the 32 or 64 bit Wave plugins before Sonar finds out about them ?


+1...this is what I did and I have had no issues since.
2013/05/01 15:25:33
brconflict
That "should" solve the issue. 
2013/05/01 15:45:43
jscomposer
brconflict


jscomposer: I'm not sure I understand your recommendation. If Waves will install the 64-bit plugs, then why would I want to jbridge to the 32-bit versions? Bridging for me isn't successful due to the performance hit I take. I'm limited to about 20-24 tracks with about 2 plug-ins on each before I start getting drop-outs. I agree with your PT and Logic observations.  

  
Because then you could ensure they actually work....you can bridge 64>32 with JBridge. That way you could use them in the 32bit version. I've never had issues with Waves, both 64 and 32bit.
 
If anyone's interested, Digital Performer 8 is now available for Windows....and MOTU actually release a free 30-day trial.
 
To the OP: ProTools 11 is 64bit (finally!!!!).

2013/05/01 16:03:18
brconflict
jscomposer, even though they may work, bridging is not supported by Waves or the DAW makers, so if you run into issues there, you're on your own. 

Anyway, if I wanted to do that, I'd just install 32-Bit X2, which is possible, I just prefer to evolve where I can. Unfortunately, in this case, Waves and Sonar didn't work together here, it seems. Or this scenario wasn't duly tested. 
2013/05/01 17:58:50
stingie@tstt.net.tt
Good info. the Cakewalk upgrade cost is the most reasonable. I am now contemplating to cease using any plugin that is causing a compatibility issue. What was posted here today gave me some more precise info as to the direction I should take. Why waste time fighting to get something to work. Just drop it off. There are too many plugins out there ding the same thing.
2013/05/01 18:10:38
brconflict
There are some plugins Waves makes that are really good, such as the SSL4000, Tapes, Tube, and Transistor, and even some of the Specifically-modeled plugins. But the ones that come with Sonar are pretty good. Some are hard to figure out (Perfect Space), but others are easy and sound great.
2013/05/01 18:45:55
stingie@tstt.net.tt
Recording near perfect tracks don't need any exorbitant processing. After all these years of buying and trying so much plugins it has not really done much to my music. Most of the times the basic stuff that comes with the sequencer is all it needs. Trust me. Well except Melodyne, autotune and a few others.
2013/05/01 23:40:02
Danny Danzi
The fix is simple and has been mentioned. Do not include your plug folder in a plug scan. I'll cover all that in a minute. I use both Sonar 32 and 64 so I have 32 and 64 bit plugs. I use Sonar 32 because it doesn't crash anywhere near as much as 64 and I still use some older DX plugs that I can't do without.

Anyway, I have NEVER had a problem with any version of Waves in Sonar. I've been a Waves customer about as long as I've been a Cakewalk/Sonar customer. I started with Waves when they had a HASP dongle driver that plugged into your printer port. I still have it and the Waves 3.0 plugs. LOL! Anyway, the only issues I've had with Waves are the following and I will address each fix.

1. GUI never working right in Sonar only: In Waves 5 or 6, you had to open a VST plugin 2 times in order to see it. You'd get an empty plug screen the first time you opened a Waves VST. You'd have to delete the plug from your FX bin and re-insert it. Then you'd see the GUI. This forced me to use the DX versions way more because they worked flawlessly.

2. Lagging GUI controls in Waves plugs when used in Sonar: In Waves 6 or 7, the fix was to just move whatever control you were messing with slowly. Trying to move too fast would make the control not move at all or just sort of bounce and wobble.

3. Waves leaving registry information behind that stops you from using updated versions: This one hit me pretty hard this week. I've been using Waves 9 for the longest time. I don't pay attention to their updates often because it's a pain in the @ss uninstalling and reinstalling them. I've had a crash in Wavelab while using version 9 that I never had before. I thought the latest might help me out. Needless to say, it didn't but I don't feel it was time wasted...errr...wait, yes I do.

I uninstalled, removed folders, deleted registry items and did everything correctly. The install went fine. Sonar X1 and X2 don't see the plugs at all and a message keeps popping up mentioning "Wave Shell 9.0" still being associated. Only Sonar does this. Every other program worked perfectly. I totally uninstall again, remove registry and folder items again. This time I go deeper into the registry. Sure enough, there were over 1000 entries showing 9.0 being locked into Sonar. Yep you guessed it, one at a time I'm sitting there deleting registry items.

Waves has as much registry related junk as Kontakt. Both companies should be shot for dumping that much into any registry and leaving their garbage behind upon uninstalling. You know something, the more I find out about what these companies do to our systems behind the scenes, the more I wish I could sue them for over-charging as well as corrupting my system. Is it that freakin' hard to create something that removes all the reg keys upon uninstalling? Who pays me for the time I spent (over an hour) removing this horsesh!t? Sorry to vent, it just makes me sick. I can't afford to lose an hour of time let alone 15 minutes with the work I do here.

Anyway, removing all references to Waves 9.0 fixed me up with all versions of Sonar. Now some 32 and 64 bit plug info for you if you're curious...

When using Sonar 32, I like to install all my VST's into my program files (86) Cakewalk Vstplugins folder. However, if you will be using 64 bit plugs in Sonar 64, it's not a good idea to do this. So I install any plugs that will have 64 bit brothers in another folder that will NOT be scanned by Sonar 64, This should totally stop any issues anyone may be having. 3rd party 32 bit plugs in a folder, all 64 bit  plugs in your program files (64) Cake Vstplugins folder and you shouldn't have any issues running both versions. You just can't allow a plug directory to be scanned in both versions of Sonar. 

-Danny
2013/05/01 23:56:13
WDI
Danny Danzi

Waves has as much registry related junk as Kontakt. Both companies should be shot for dumping that much into any registry and leaving their garbage behind upon uninstalling. You know something, the more I find out about what these companies do to our systems behind the scenes, the more I wish I could sue them for over-charging as well as corrupting my system. Is it that freakin' hard to create something that removes all the reg keys upon uninstalling? Who pays me for the time I spent (over an hour) removing this horsesh!t? Sorry to vent, it just makes me sick. I can't afford to lose an hour of time let alone 15 minutes with the work I do here.
+1000


I don't get it either leaving registry garbage behind. Seems like common curtousy to clean up the software during uninstall right?


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