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BenMMusTech


In my opinion Windows Tablets will die, unless they become defacto PC's it's about apps and devolpmentent of Apps.

Apple and this pains me has the goods when it comes music apps, plus there are now so many music devices that interface with the Ipad so it's just not feasable any other device will challange the Ipad when it comes musical apps and abilities.

It's the Pro Tools things again, Apple was first and the rest are just trying to catch up, it's taken 10-15 years to see the end of Pro Too's dominance of the market and it will be similar with the Ipad.

Peace Ben

Pro Tools didn't get where they are only because the were 1st.  The developed technologies that still no one else has.  Many people still believe that DSP based mixing is more dependable for commercial sessions.  Although this is arguable, it is not arguable that no one has even come close to their dedicated control surfaces.
 
IMO Windows tablets will be huge since MS (and the rest of the world) is all about touch technology and Apple will likely remain more expensive.  It will, however, take a while for the music apps to catch since, apparently, iPads are the only ones that can currently handle audio well.

What I am talking about is they're a lot of angry campers in the Pro Tools world now, the upgrade prices and some older equipment not working anymore.  Trust me Pro Tools has had it's pinacle and now its heading to the trough.
 
I base this on my knowledge of history, two subjects at uni, I understand analysis and it's Rome all over, Avid cannot expand it's boarders anymore so like Haddrian they build a wall to stop the invading Picts and stop trying to conquer the world.
 
DSP is dead, lets get this straight, it is no longer necassery, they're a lot of people over in UAD land who just think their cards are ILock's in disguse, I use UAD and barely touch the outer limits and all I have is is a solo laptop card.  I just don't need the DSP power and I regualry use up to 10 VSTi, up to 80 tracks and effects.
 
I have also used Creamware/Sonic Core DSP cards, probably the best DSP cards evermade in terms of effects.
 
The notion that you need DSP power now is put out there by people trying to hold off the marauding Picts, hence the Roman analogy.
 
I bet Seth or Brandon would agree that an Octo Core computer with however much memory would cream most DSP systems now and then back to Thunderbolt.
 
It's about time Pro Tools was put in it's box its an overpriced dinosaur and much like the punk of 1977 I snear at Pro Tools and want to put my bother boots on and stomp on it's memory.  In fact I am going to get a Pro Tools T Shirt and write on it "I Hate Pro Tools"
 
As for the Windows statement, if you had read mine you would have seen that Windows 8 will rock it if and only if it is a defacto PC but then were not taking into account the different interface's needed to make it a trully functioning music machine.  At the moment every audio company and their dogs are bringing out audio interfaces and tools for the Ipad.
 
Behringer have mixers that the Ipad slot into and they have a device called the IAXE to help teach guitar.
 
Window's Tabs are going to struggle to compete with this.
 
Back to the Rome analogy with the Ipad at the moment we are in the transisition phase between Ceaser and Agustus, so another 100 years away from Haddrian.
 
Peace Brother

There's two types of people in the world. Ones that never owned an apple devise and rave about how bad they are. And those who do, are happy and too busy using them productively to complain.

Seriously though, for musicians iOS is already set up for this stuff. Perhaps the next gen other mobile operating systems and hardware will catch up. I don't really care.

As far as being dumbed down for non technical people as a negative thing, I see it as good! Why do I want to have to be side tracked with technical bs in the middle of trying to have fun and get stuff done.

Have not missed flash at all. 

WDI


There's two types of people in the world. Ones that never owned an apple devise and rave about how bad they are. And those who do, are happy and too busy using them productively to complain.

Seriously though, for musicians iOS is already set up for this stuff. Perhaps the next gen other mobile operating systems and hardware will catch up. I don't really care.

As far as being dumbed down for non technical people as a negative thing, I see it as good! Why do I want to have to be side tracked with technical bs in the middle of trying to have fun and get stuff done.

Have not missed flash at all. 

Actually I am in the middle of that, I think Apple is the devil incarnate but their Ipad is actually good, the price is not ridiculous like their computers and their (Ipad,Iphone) music making ability scares me, the possibilites are endless and I am so looking forward to getting into some serious experimental stuff with this device, same with the Iphone.
 
I'm really looking forward to building the TARDIS (DRWHO, nut job here) of all live machines in the future, we have the excellent matrix editor within Sonar, which can be controlled by a midi footboard, couple that with their arpegiators, once again controlled by a footboard then you have the Ipad and all the weird and wonderful noise making devices, the problem will be syncing everything but it can be done and it will be done, what we need now is some sort of musical Iclock.
 
Peace Ben

aj


It's in the works but it will be Android, not iPad. The current specification is that the surface will communicate directly with Sonar and no MIDI bridge will be required. Track metering will be included, something that AFAIK is not available with alternative solutions at present. Along with transport control, channel gain,record arm, pan, mute, solo and programmable FX insert control will all be available, with the ability to filter and reorder the specific FX or EQ parameters you wish to control.  Initial preferred device will be the Archos 101 tablet, but the design will support other tablets and phones. High speed and very low jitter are part of the design, with the intention that real-time punch in and out will work just fine from the tablet. A desired goal is also to allow audio to be streamed back to the tablet, so that you could, for example, put your headphones on, walk round the studio with the tablet and then monitor any track or the main mix independently from the tablet without interfering with the main DAW (by setting up additional busses which can be routed back to the tablet) .

I do not have a precise availability date at this stage.  Unlike the BCR2000 surface project, this is probably not going to be free, but the cost is intended to be modest. I would hope to be looking at a mid-year timeframe.With the Archos 10 inch screen, somewhere around 16 tracks would be controllable at any time. The device supports two simultaneous touch points so it will be possible to drag two faders simultaneously. Other devices may support additional touch points, of course.

Ac-7 on iPod shows meter levels. 

Personally I'm done w/ all the DYI and mix-n-matching all the various alternatives, waiting on one guy to catch up w/ the others. I'm done managing a patchwork of systems which depends on the future upgrade of this and that - I bought one and it works now w/o me needing to wait for somebody somewhere to finally make all the components of the theoretically better solution work.

This always reminds me of the old day before Cakewalk adopted VST. When people complained, I think it was Ron Kuper who used to say "Just wait - there's a much better solution!" He may have been right - I trust he was being honest. DX and DXi may have been a better solution in theory.

There's something to be said for a system which works now. By the time the supposedly better solution finally gets implemented, anyway, the system that works now will have gotten better too, and the always theoretically better system will be late on something else.

DX and DXi worked great. Some of the most GUI lacking effects that had cool analog type of unpredictable results. Making the sonar 1, which was actually just called Sonar (reference for newbs of course lol), delay feed back on its self sounded great. 

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Brandon Ryan [Cakewalk
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Still, Brandon, it would be very handy (pun intended).  But make it for android - I just picked up a 10 incher, with USB.

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Which one did you get?

Viewsonig G tablet
 
 http://www.viewsonic.com/gtablet/
 
Cheaper than the ipad, has usb, hmdi out.  They put some kinda funky software overlay on top of android 2.2, but you can get rid of that.  And should be upgradable to 3.0 when that comes out.  Here's hoping Cake jumps on the android bandwagon.
 
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The G Tablet (Viewsonic) was my first tablet and, honestly, i is not one I would recommend.

There are some really good/inexpensive fully android based tablets out there these days.  But I would stay away from the G Tablet personally - at least at this time.

Wow this old topic, unfortunatly for music there can only be one. IPAD

Dr.No

How's it going with the OSC plug-ins?  I just found this via MOTU signing on with some custom interfaces, but this thing rocks.  I'm learning and has a modest list of templates, but I see so many uses in this platform.  So I was just wondering if there is a library of templates somewhere.  Cheers!