Anyone want to sell me on the current Overloud bundle deal that's out there right now? 
 
I use Guitar Rig 5 and own POD Farm (not to mention analog stomps, etc.) - so I'm not sure what TH2 would give me that I can't already do, and Breverb looks sweet - - but I own the TRacks Classic suite of verbs, not to mention Cake's stuff!
 
I am tempted, cause it seems there are never enough tools (toys?) but sure would love to hear a little more!
 
Thanks in advance.
 
Brian

I find myself using Valhalla Room & Valhalla Vintage Verbs more than I'm using Breverb.
Breverb is good (only have the Cake version), but I always end up with something I like a lot in either of the Valhallas.


Comparing the full TH2, & GR5 Pro - both are ok.
TH2 is comparable to what you have, for the most part - particularly if you have the full version of GR5.

Some like one over the other, but it's pretty much 50/50 overall.
 

Brian - I'm with you.

I use PodFarm and GuitarRig 5 with great results. I should say awesome results.

I haven't seen anything fantastic in Overloud that would prompt me to go for the full package. Breverb that's already included with Sonar X2 works really nicely. Haven't really researched it, but paying a lot for a bit more reverb doesn't excite me as much as other ways to spend that same amount to add features from other products.

So like you, I could use some tips from others why to go for that Overloud upgrade. It is a great price. It would be helpful if some folks might vouch for the upgrade and why it's helpful.

If you are looking to purchase a new toy that might upgrade you existing solution, you might take a look at the Mark Studio 2, I find it way better than the bass amp in GR5. Also SpringAge sounds better than the spring in GR5. I too use Valhalla for most of my reverb but it lacks a good spring. The 15% deal made those two plugs deals for me. I already own TH2 and GR5. I do prefer the amps in TH2 but still lean toward the effects in GR5. If one did not have a good ampsim and reverb the bundle is a good deal though (esp with the added 15% discount).

I'm slowly (quicky?) drifting away from amp sims in general.

I'm getting far better guitar tones by mic'ing up an amp with a decent selection of pedals in front of it (and in the S/R loop)

I haven't fallen in love with Breverb but TH2 - and Mark Studio II which I crossgraded to - is my go to amp sims these days. I play a lot of punk and down tuned metal that they work really well for. I still use GR for the more far out stuff, often together with TH2 for the actual guitar tone processing.

I just really like TH2

Thanks all - - maybe a pass on this one.  Too bad.  Never enough tools (toys)!
 
Brian

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I'm slowly (quicky?) drifting away from amp sims in general.

I'm getting far better guitar tones by mic'ing up an amp with a decent selection of pedals in front of it (and in the S/R loop)

+1. If you have the right amp/cab/bass/mic/pre combination, there's no substitute for the "right" real thing. I know there are some that can better determine a good bass tone while mixing, and that's perfectly fine. However, bass can make or break a mix. If the bass is wrong the song won't move people. 

    I personally use an SWR 2x10" or 4x10" cab, Bass 750 head, SansAMP RBI, and either a Rickenbacker 4003 or Fender bass. All of this runs into a Chandler Germ 500 or API 512c. The mics I use are typically an RE20 or even a Beta 57 if I also go direct. I can't even approximate these tones from a plug.   

Amp sims can save so much headache.


Get a band/artist in and having a good session with some good vibe, then you hear their guitar tone and realize that if you tell em to change it up they will lose their good mood and things might turn a bit sour cause they worked for hours on this 'awesome' fizz-tone.


So you record it, take a DI as well, and use a sim later.  Nobody has ever said a negative thing about the results.  I don't run into it much, but when I do I thank Jebus that I have Guitar Rig.  Makes my life much easier and their songs much more listenable.

Fooman, you're right that getting the proper tone manually is frustrating for the artist, and that vibe/mood is important to keep. I recently spent two hours working with a guitarist who not only was easily distracted and not very patient, he also had no knowledge and understanding as to why things were taking so long. That's equally frustrating for me, because I'm not only working hard to get the right tones for the tracking, but meanwhile keeping him from getting impatient and not wanting to be there.

But there is another reason for doing this. 

In the way I have my studio set up, I have a large set of speakers powered by a Pass-350 amp that can be used to crank up while he tracks his guitars. This is similar to him working in the same room as both of the amps (bi-amp in two separate rooms), mixed to taste, and he's digging the tones. This really helped his performance and he played with some serious conviction. 

It's a bonus that I can offer guitarists and bassists in that they don't have to wear headphones while tracking, AND they can be mic'd from another room. It's a win/win for us. So, any amount of work getting us to that point pays off when the artist is actually tracking and burning the place down with massive overtones. It's pretty real.
I should also point out the win for me. Since these are the same speakers I master on, (and sometimes mix), if the sounds we're getting from those make me feel right, then mixing the guitars later is incredibly fast and requires little to no additional processing.