• SONAR
  • Clicking (pulsing) when I try to add guitar via UX2
2013/04/16 11:28:33
_Angus_
I'm still finding my way with Sonar (X1 Essential) but have been having some fun creating little backing tracks for me to jam along with on my guitar. For this I've been using an internal sound card, an Audiophile 2496. This works fairly well, although I get a the odd stutter and click here and there. Actually, I thought I resolved this the other day, by setting Sonar's priority to maximum (real time) in Windows Task Manager. The problem that I can't solve is when I try to record my guitar through my Line 6 UX2 - the clicking/glitching becomes unbearable when Sonar is running. I have tried the following: disabling antivirus software disconnecting pc from internet making UX2 the default soundcard increasing priorities of UX2 (Podfarm) and Sonar in Task Manger Jedi persuasion/Bene Gesserit voice techniques I noticed this afternoon, that if I played a sustained note, the glitching sound (bit like radio interference) was pulsing in very regularly at approximately 1 second intervals. Does this suggest anything? That's about it - Task manager suggests nothing is hogging resources. I would really appreciate some advice, so I can get stuck into Sonar and hopefully start making some music. Thanks. I'm running XP SP3 with an AMD Phenom II x4 3.4 GHz with 4 GB memory.
2013/04/16 11:38:28
The Maillard Reaction

What is your sample buffer set at in SONAR? It may be to low and that may be causing drop outs.


best regards,
mike



2013/04/16 11:54:12
_Angus_
  If I understand correctly, The DMA buffer size on both the UX2 and Audiophile is set to 512k. The panel for the UX2 in control panel says the Sample rate converter (tone direct and USB audio streaming is set at the default, which is one click up from "very small". How does that sound? (how do I format my posts, despite my best efforts they appear as a solid block of text - apologies).
2013/04/17 14:49:29
_Angus_
  Playing around with it today, and the UX2 won't even play back an .mp3 without a bunch of cracking. The same mp3 plays fine on my internal card. :-/
2013/04/17 15:37:35
joeb1cannoli
 I'm just guessing here, but it sounds like it may be a clock issue.
 When you use the UX2 do you have it set as the playback and record timing master in Sonar?
2013/04/17 17:12:01
_Angus_
  Yes, I think so. I had a fiddle around with those settings but there didn't seem to be much option.
2013/04/17 19:41:57
SteveStrummerUK
Hi there Angus

Have you tried disabling your inbuilt soundcard completely, and letting your UX2 handle all your audio? On my system, this is the only way I can get my UX2 to play nice.

What drivers are you using with your UX2? Have you tried switching the driver mode your UX2 is operating under?

When you have SONAR open, are you trying to record your guitar directly from the standalone version of POD Farm, or are you inserting the VST version of POD Farm into an FX Bin (and monitoring the sound with Input Echo switched on)?

Can you play your guitar OK in the standalone version of POD Farm when you're not running SONAR?

Have you run Line 6 Monkey and ensured you have the latest drivers for your POD Studio, and the latest version of POD Farm/Gearbox? These are the latest versions of everything:
 

 
 
 
 
 
2013/04/18 08:10:26
_Angus_
SteveStrummerUK


Hi there Angus

Have you tried disabling your inbuilt soundcard completely, and letting your UX2 handle all your audio? On my system, this is the only way I can get my UX2 to play nice.

What drivers are you using with your UX2? Have you tried switching the driver mode your UX2 is operating under?

When you have SONAR open, are you trying to record your guitar directly from the standalone version of POD Farm, or are you inserting the VST version of POD Farm into an FX Bin (and monitoring the sound with Input Echo switched on)?

Can you play your guitar OK in the standalone version of POD Farm when you're not running SONAR?

Have you run Line 6 Monkey and ensured you have the latest drivers for your POD Studio, and the latest version of POD Farm/Gearbox? These are the latest versions of everything:
 

 
  Thanks for the reply. I'll deal with the points you raised in sequence.
 
  Disabling the other soundcards completely? Sounds like a good idea, but can one do that in software? BTW I have tried making the UX2 the default soundcard but with no benefit.
 
I'm using the UX2 ASIO drivers that come with it, I tried ASIO4all but it was no better.
 
I'm not quite sure what you mean here - I've not succeeded in getting the Pod Farm VST to be accessible from Sonar, I'm not clear if that's actually possible, I can see a Pod Farm .dll file but haven't managed to get Sonar to do anything with it... I basically fire up Pod Farm on the pc, plug the guitar into the UX2 and run Sonar. 
 
Its not too bad playing guitar through the UX2 without Sonar. The odd click and crackle but not too much.
 
I re-installed stuff from the Line 6 Monkey a couple of times yesterday. Thanks again.
  
 


2013/04/18 12:18:59
SteveStrummerUK
 
_Angus_
 
Thanks for the reply. I'll deal with the points you raised in sequence. Disabling the other soundcards completely? Sounds like a good idea, but can one do that in software? BTW I have tried making the UX2 the default soundcard but with no benefit.
 
Hi Angus
 
I've disabled the onboard soundcard on all three PCs I've used my UX2 with (XP; Vista; Win7-64) and it's run perfectly. With the XP and Vista machines, there were some conflicts but with my newer Win7 computer, I disabled it anyway before I installed the UX2 drivers.
 
I think in your situation, it might be worth a try - even if it doesn't solve the problem, it's completely reversible.
 
To disable your onboard card, open Control Panel and then click on Device Manager to open it. Click on the arrow next to the Sound, video and game controllers icon to expand it and you should see your Audiophile in the list that opens. Here you can see my onboard Realtek card:
 

 
 
Double click on the name of your card to open its Properties window. When the Properties window opens, select the Drivers tab and then click on the Disable button:
 

 
 
If you receive a message asking you to confirm this action, select Yes.
 
Now, close Device Manager, and if you are prompted to restart your computer, do so.
 
 
I'm using the UX2 ASIO drivers that come with it, I tried ASIO4all but it was no better.
 
 
The ASIO drivers for the UX2 are well written and are purpose-built for audio recording. ASIO4All is just a 'wrapper' used to make cheaper/slower soundcards work a little more efficiently - you certainly don't need it with your UX2 that has its own ASIO drivers.
 
Incidentally, you have to use ASIO drivers with both your UX2 and SONAR for you to be able to record two different sources simultaneously with your UX2 (e.g. Instrument + Mic1; Mic1 + Mic2 etc) - SONAR will 'see' the UX2 in the Input of a track as either UX2 Send 1-2 or UX2 Send 3-4.
 
 
 
I'm not quite sure what you mean here - I've not succeeded in getting the Pod Farm VST to be accessible from Sonar, I'm not clear if that's actually possible, I can see a Pod Farm .dll file but haven't managed to get Sonar to do anything with it...
 
 
Right, I understand. Basically, the POD Farm software comes in two different versions. The standalone version (that you're using) is the version that's accessible just like any other program on your PC. You can run it independently of any other program either from the Start menu or from a shortcut etc.
 
However, Line 6 also supply POD Farm as a series of 'Plug-Ins' which you can use inside your DAW (= Digital Audio Workstation) software (i.e: SONAR in your case) to use to process recorded audio. In the case of SONAR, the plug-ins it can use are in the 'VST' format (you get the option during installation to install different formats).
 
If you've installed the POD Farm VST plug-ins, they (as you have seen) will appear with the filename extension .dll
 
The VSTs you should have are (note that mine are the 64bit versions):
 

 
 
I believe that if you didn't specify a different destination on installation, and you already had SONAR on your PC, they are placed by default inside this folder on your computer:
  • Computer >  OS(C) > Programs > Cakewalk > Vstplugins
 
They should be available to use inside the FX Bin (Effects Bin) of an audio track in SONAR.
 
To see if they're there, right click in the FX Bin of a track and hover the mouse pointer over Audio FX.
 
If you don't see them in the list but they are located in the Cakewalk Vstplugins folder, you might need to run a VST scan.
 
If you placed them in a different folder, you will need to run the VST scanner and add this folder to those that it will scan.
 
 
 
I basically fire up Pod Farm on the pc, plug the guitar into the UX2 and run Sonar. Its not too bad playing guitar through the UX2 without Sonar. The odd click and crackle but not too much. I re-installed stuff from the Line 6 Monkey a couple of times yesterday. Thanks again.
 
Can you record anything from (the standalone version of) POD Farm in SONAR Angus?
 
If not, try following these steps:
  1. Disable your onboard soundcard as above (and make certain that your UX2 is enabled)
  2. Open a new (Blank) project in SONAR and select Edit > Preferences from the menu bar
  3. In the Audio section, click on Playback and Recording
  4. Check to see what is listed as the Driver Mode - if ASIO is displayed, that's fine. If it isn't, click on the drop-down arrow and select ASIO from the list. Click Apply and then close the Preferences window.
  5. Close SONAR and open POD Farm
  6. Plug your guitar into the NORM Instrument jack on your UX2 and make sure you have sound
  7. Open the POD Farm Mixer View and ensure you have a good signal in the Rec Send 1-2 meter:

  8. With POD Farm open, restart SONAR and open Preferences again. Check on the Driver Settings tab that SONAR has recognised your UX2 as both Playback Timing Master and Record Timing Master (mine is listed as the older TonePort UX2, yours will be listed as POD Studio UX2):


  9. To check SONAR is communicating perfectly with your UX2 in ASIO mode, click on the Record Timing Master drop-down arrow and you should see that both Send 1-2 and Send 3-4 are available:



    If it is, all is good, but leave it set to Send 1-2 and close Preferences
  10. Now, in the Track View, insert an Audio Track into your project (Insert > Audio Track) and arm it for recording
  11. Switch to the Console View and click on the Input selection drop-down arrow in the track's channel strip. You should see the following six options:

  12. Choose either Left ASIO Pod Studio UX2 Send 1-2 to record in mono, or Stereo ASIO Pod Studio UX2 Send 1-2 to record in stereo
 
Hope that all makes sense and gets you working OK Angus. Let us know if you need anything else explained.
 
Steve
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
2013/04/19 06:53:34
_Angus_
 
Steve, very many thanks for your helpful and informative response. I am still digesting some of it. as I'm pretty new to this stuff.
 
 
 
I was under the impression that with my UX2 I was not entitled to Pod Farm 2, and have only had the original Pod Farm installed. After reading your post I went and had another look with Line Monkey and was able to download and install Pod Farm 2, so now (although its a bit beyond me I have access to those amp sims etc in Sonar. Thanks!  :)  Is Pod Farm still serving any purpose, and can I safely uninstall it?
 
 
 
I'm not quite clear on this whole "stand alone mode" term people use regarding the UX2. Up until last night I have been unable to access the VSL's via Sonar, but I have been able to record my guitar playing in Sonar via the UX2 while using the various amp sims etc albeit with the unwanted and undocumented SCP (snap, crackle, pop) effect pedal.  :(
 
 
 
I will certainly try disabling the onboard sound and the audiophile card to see if this improves the UX2 performance. Thanks again for your kindness. 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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