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  • This just in .... X2 DOES NOT SUPPORT VST3 ..per Robin (p.12)
2012/09/06 17:55:45
BEATZM1D10T
backwoods


ccLarry and his VST3 fetish is about as tiresome as Silktone and his midi-cross-chatter obsession  


Poor old Noel having to come on and defend himself against this tripe. It's like Spike Milligan wrote "Einstein could stand in front of a class of 30 monkeys and lecture them for ten years but at the end of that time they'd still all be monkeys."


I own Nuendo5 in addition to Sonar. For fabfilter there is no difference except the VST3 ones put themselves into the dynamics folder automatically. Big Deal!

bu.but.but! Virtual Studio Technology 3 or 3.5 now is .6 or 1.1 higher over Virtual Studio Technology 2.4! It's just better!
2012/09/06 17:56:54
Freddie H
Noel!
 
You said that Pro Channel is based on VST 2.4 standard. Why did you base it on VST 2.4 when you could make it for VST 3.0? That seems not wise to me. It seems you haven’t really thought about the FUTURE at all at Cakewalk.   
VST 3.0 has been out over 4 years now so it’s just matter of time before VST2.4 die, ends? You know, I don’t see any VST 1.0 plugins around on the market anymore… same will happen with VST 2.4 too.
 
It’s just a matter of time before VST 3.0 going to be the only standard in any DAW, next up will be VST 4.0
 
Then you sit there with Pro Channel in VST2.4 format that you have invest time and money in that are outdate that no one can actually use. Strange politic?

2012/09/06 17:59:57
firefly9000
Sorry cclarry, must have missed your post.

I'm not sure how those new features don't matter, but to each his own. I understand the feeling some people have: VsT3 just isn't that implemented yet so why make such a fuss.

While I DO get that, I also want to remind everybody that the future moves forward (as silly as it sounds - nobody does version 2.0 of something then later on comes with version 1) and things TAKE TIME TO IMPLEMENT. They also go through a lot of beta, or bug removal processes that ARE NOT INSTANT. You know, those moments when you tear your hair out because something isn't working just right :)

Jumping on new technology is smart because it let's you implement it and work out the kinks, while also being prepared when exclusive VsT3 comes out. So when the inevitable happens you don't get caught with your pants down.

To wait around with new plugs while Cake get VsT3 ready and tries to iron out kinks isn't my idea of fun.

I do plan on updating my Waves collection later on and going into UAD territory.
2012/09/06 18:01:18
Mystic38
i am more happy with x2 than with the non appearance of vst3, and have preordered..but luckily i can live without it, as i have had to do so for 2 years... and to all members that say it does not matter, please note that had i not had sonar before i purchased a yamaha synth i would not be a sonar customer today.

In the technical argument of merit, i totally defer to Noel and his comments, however, the industry and the customer base will not care about the realities of technically being able to do things in vst2.4 that are in vst3, the industry will care about the perception that vst3 is superior and therefore that its support is required. I do not believe any magazine review of a daw will say vst3 support is not needed... clearly to have it is a plus..to not have it, a minus.

Folks that purchase $3500 synths that only support vst3 will buy a daw that supports vst3..and their voices will never be heard here.. they wont be doing feature requests.
folks that spend thousands on expensive plugs that support vst3 where the supplier has stated vst3 gives greater performance or that vst2.4 support days are numbered will need a daw that supports vst3.. and you may not hear their voices here... current customers give feature requests, not customers cakewalk never had.

Cake have done a marvellous job with x1, and now x2, and opened up to (i believe) a greater market share... success is in growing that market share with new customers... not simply trying to keep current customers happy, and fwiw at the time when enough users of sonar state they must have vst3 .. it simply will be too late.. those that must have vst3 will have moved on before it is implemented by cakewalk...

2012/09/06 18:02:45
BEATZM1D10T
Freddie H


Noel!
 
You said that Pro Channel is based on VST 2.4 standard. Why in God name did you base it on VST 2.4 when you could make it for VST 3.0? That seems not wise to me. It seems you haven’t really thought about the FUTURE at all at Cakewalk.   
VST 3.0 has been out over 4 years now so it’s just matter of time before VST2.4 die, ends? You know, I don’t see any VST 1.0 plugins around on the market anymore… same will happen with VST 2.4 too.It’s just a matter of time before VST 3.0 going to be the only standard in any DAW, next up will be VST 4.0
 
Then you site there with Pro Channel in VST2.4 format that you have invest time and money in that are outdate that no one can actually use.


Ummm, probably because it's cheaper/easier/faster to add a new feature into a core application that has an API already implemented and for all intensive purposes 'proofed'. I'd really like to see some of you try to run a successful software company. Especially in this current market.
2012/09/06 18:04:12
Freddie H
Mystic38


i am more happy with x2 than with the non appearance of vst3, and have preordered..but luckily i can live without it, as i have had to do so for 2 years... and to all members

Let’s see how happy you are next year when you can‘t use example the Native Komplete instruments and NI Maschine...Waves....and so on... 
Vocal rider are the first Wave plugin that are only support VST 3, more will come.
2012/09/06 18:10:15
Freddie H
..........User: ... So I had Vocal Rider for a while now and I couldn't use it with Sonar ... That plug uses the VST3 side chaining STANDARD that cakewalk ... fire it back up...but only to be shot down again with this VST3 thingy not supported.
 
 

2012/09/06 18:15:34
Freddie H
BEATZM1D10T


Freddie H


Noel!
 
You said that Pro Channel is based on VST 2.4 standard. Why in God name did you base it on VST 2.4 when you could make it for VST 3.0? That seems not wise to me. It seems you haven’t really thought about the FUTURE at all at Cakewalk.   
VST 3.0 has been out over 4 years now so it’s just matter of time before VST2.4 die, ends? You know, I don’t see any VST 1.0 plugins around on the market anymore… same will happen with VST 2.4 too.It’s just a matter of time before VST 3.0 going to be the only standard in any DAW, next up will be VST 4.0
 
Then you site there with Pro Channel in VST2.4 format that you have invest time and money in that are outdate that no one can actually use.


Ummm, probably because it's cheaper/easier/faster to add a new feature into a core application that has an API already implemented and for all intensive purposes 'proofed'.
I'd really like to see some of you try to run a successful software company. Especially in this current market.


Sure, but you need to invest in the future to be successful. Always pay off in the long run! If SONAR wouldn’t implemented x64bit in an early state I had never been a SONAR user. Think about it! 
If I run Cakewalk, VST3 and ARA been implemented years ago..Its FREE too you know 
 
2012/09/06 18:21:12
cclarry
firefly9000


Sorry cclarry, must have missed your post.

I'm not sure how those new features don't matter, but to each his own. I understand the feeling some people have: VsT3 just isn't that implemented yet so why make such a fuss.

While I DO get that, I also want to remind everybody that the future moves forward (as silly as it sounds - nobody does version 2.0 of something then later on comes with version 1) and things TAKE TIME TO IMPLEMENT. They also go through a lot of beta, or bug removal processes that ARE NOT INSTANT. You know, those moments when you tear your hair out because something isn't working just right :)

Jumping on new technology is smart because it let's you implement it and work out the kinks, while also being prepared when exclusive VsT3 comes out. So when the inevitable happens you don't get caught with your pants down.

To wait around with new plugs while Cake get VsT3 ready and tries to iron out kinks isn't my idea of fun.

I do plan on updating my Waves collection later on and going into UAD territory.
Couldn't agree more Firefly...
 
It's better to be the FIRST on the bandwagon, spend the money NOW, and iron out the kinks...then to be LAST on the bandwagon, spend TWICE the money later, and get left with an arrow in your head...
2012/09/06 18:25:15
firefly9000
Folks, this will go the VsT3 way, like it or not, for the following reason (if nothing else): As another commenter mentioned - once the pro-music press got a hold of VsT3 it won't let go. This will lead to more plugin makers going the VsT3 way. You can comment on the merits of VsT2.4 all you want. Also, I find the idea that Steinberg added absolutely no value to the VsT3 protocols, and VsT2.4 is just as good or better, a bit hard to swallow. They probably pump up the benefits, as any developer/manufacturer does for marketing purposes, but it's hard to believe that VsT3 is the same or has less possibilities and is worse off that 2.4.
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