he did in this thread here http://forum.cakewalk.com/fb.ashx?m=2653661

John


I would think that a plugin needs some CPU to stay active. It can't be totally shut off if for no other reason than to monitor when audio is present. That would allow it to not process stuff that isn't there.

Sonar has been curtailing plugins for some time now. Anyone can check this out by loading a project with sections that are processed at different places in the project. Look at the X1 CPU meter as the project plays. It will vary due to load.

There will be a hit on the CPU even if there is nothing to process but it will go up when that plugin is processing.  

Not from my experience. 

Yes, I saw Noel's post above... 
If he has time, I'm sure Noel could elaborate further... to WDI's point.

This whole discussion is really quite laughable...

Bottom line is this...

Cake is going to take a beating...mark my words..from the Industry for
not including it.  On all sides.  The Publication reviews are going to rip
X2 and Cake on it.  It's a fact.

Cake has NO ALTERNATIVE, if they plan to remain viable, but to implement it.

So WHY keep procrastinating?  Costs go up every year.  The longer you
take, the more it costs...simple math.  And the more features you add to
the program, prior to implementation, the MORE DIFFICULT it will become,
and the LONGER IT WILL TAKE, and the MORE MONEY it will cost,
to keep those features BECAUSE of the REQUIREMENT to implement it.

So you can say what you want Noel, but you are only fooling yourself.  It's not going away. You're wasting time, and money, because you don't want to admit that it has to be done and just do it.  It shouldn't even matter what "feature requests" you received.

This is an INDUSTRY STANDARD....not a feature, so requests shouldn't even be considered
when talking about this. 

And all you fanbois, who really have no clue what's going on out there...wake up.
You haven't listened to a single word said here...other then to Noel, who is
playing Corporate Politics and covering his A** for a HUGE mistake.

Jim,

You can rest assured that, while it may not be their MAIN DAW,
those Studio's in Nashville, New York, and LA....they ALL have Cubase installed.
Not even a question. 

As for CM...it's a great publication.  And I fully believe they know what they're talking
about.

I'm one of Cakes BIGGEST FANS.  I wouldn't have moved from Cubase if I wasn't.
That's what you ALL are missing.  VST 3 would put Cake in a much BETTER position.
It HAS TO.  It makes it READY for the NEW things coming down the road, that
are JUST NOW being developed, as well as ALL THE PLUGS OUT THERE NOW THAT
REQUIRE IT!!! 

It's not even a question of whether you NEED it or not NOW,
but that it WILL be required, NOT ONLY NOW, but even more so later as well,
as the Plug Companies, which are smart enough to ALREADY be on the move,
are NOT going to just drop it.

It's completely ludicrous to think anything else.

Just because YOU don't need it doesn't mean the INDUSTRY doesn't, or that it's going away.  Just because you don't want to invest in it doesn't mean you shouldn't.
No one can be that blind.

Do you HONESTLY think that the guys at Steinberg, the largest Sequencer Company out there, just arbitrarily said...hey...let's screw everyone up and write a new standard?

REALLY?

They developed it to address issues with the current standard, because there was a
NEED...not a WANT. 

EVERY standard must evolve to deal with issues that arise with it's current implentation, to become better and more efficient.
EVERY software must evolve to deal with issues that arise with it's current VERSION, to become better, and more effecient.

And you ridiculous people who sit around and talk about how I DON'T NEED IT
so screw everyone else, including you Noel, have no sense of being realistic,
or of facing the facts square in the face.

It's HERE...it's a DONE DEAL....and the INDUSTRY - it's going there...like it or not.

WHY do you think Waves, and FabFilter, and VocAlign, and ALL these Plugin
Companies and other DAW's are implementing it NOW, and stating that 2.4 will soon be gone?  This is the same way 8 Tracks replaced Records, Cassettes replaced 8 Tracks, CD's replaced Cassettes,...and so on and so on.  Are THEY still out there? Yes.  Are they still usable?  Yes.  Does anyone?  Ummm...not so much.

Surely you guys REALLY aren't that blind and that dumb.

This ENTIRE thread is laughable...and everyone with ANY Industry knowledge
KNOWS that.

(actually, it's REALLY sad to read those one sided, screw the Industry - I don't need it -so who cares - and you don't know what you're talking about -comments)

Cheers Gents!

To me the reason to support VST 3 is for compatibility with new plugins. All the abilities that are seemingly new with VST 3 are already available with VST 2.4.

What is not available is being able to run them if a host wont support them. That is the only thing that concerns me. At some point VST 2.4 will not be used for development.

 

This ENTIRE thread is laughable...and everyone with ANY Industry knowledge
KNOWS that.

 
I think for anyone to come on here and try to tell anyone else what they need or don't need is laughable.

You have your needs and wants, I have mine. You do what you have to to fulfill your needs, I do the same.

But don't try to tell me what I need, please. Your tone is extremely insulting. Sorry, but it is.

cclarry


Cake is going to take a beating...mark my words..from the Industry for
not including it.  On all sides.  The Publication reviews are going to rip
X2 and Cake on it.  It's a fact.

Cake has NO ALTERNATIVE, if they plan to remain viable, but to implement it.

I'm one of Cakes BIGGEST FANS.  I wouldn't have moved from Cubase if I wasn't.
That's what you ALL are missing. 

Well, there you have it. Cakewalk is going down. Oh woe is me...

Ya know, since Cakewalk is pulling such a bone head move maybe you might want to consider heading back to Cubase. Why did you leave it?

Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk

]

john6448

VST3 is important to me, particularly because I work with orchestral music and Cubase has used it to make articulation switching so easy. 

Sigh. This is exactly the point I have been trying to make all along.  VST3 in itself doesn't give you "articulation switching" and even if we implemented the spec you wouldn't get that. That is a whole different feature which just happens to have some support in the VST3 spec. If that feature in itself is specially important to you by all means feature request it but asking for VST3 for sure isn't going to get that to you. Its like going to another vendor and asking why don't you support prochannel modules - its implemented in VST 2.4 after all :) 

I'll say it again. VST3 is a plugin spec - no more and no less. It is simply a template for implementing a common protocol to communicate with plugins.  It won't get you any new features! 




>>cclarry
>>But that does not dimish the importance of VST 3 implemenation. 
>>Plug Manufacturers and PC DAW's have been using and implementing it for 4 years now...while Cake sits on their lists. 
>>I don't use it...I don't need it...BUT...I understand the NEED and reason for the NEED, and that is why I support 
it. 

Lets see - you have no need for VST3 yourself and yet you want us to invest our resources in it just in case someone wants it. I'm afraid I don't see a lot of sense in that argument. We use our development time wisely to deliver tools that benefit the most of our customers base and not for some hypothetical gain. I think most people will agree that this is a better model. 

cclarry


Do you HONESTLY think that the guys at Steinberg, the largest Sequencer Company out there, just arbitrarily said...hey...let's screw everyone up and write a new standard?

REALLY?

Yea it happens all the time. Do you believe that Steinberg and Steinberg alone understands the vst3 specification That any competent software engineer can’t see that it was indeed a political social economic move on the part of Steinberg and there is some passive resistance throughout the industry to this less than stellar development on the part of Steinberg.
 
So called industry standards fall by the wayside all the time. VST is past due. :-)

I totally agree with Cakewalk policy.
I think that this is only a philosophycal problem.
Sonar is a very good DAW and I think that X2 will improve its capability to produce even better than what I'm doing actually.
For me is not really important which is the best daw in the universe. I only want stability and good performances. The Beatles records were made on very simple machines if we look at what we have now!!!! They made great music indeed.... 
Thank you Cakewalk team!