bitflipper

In the end VST 2.4 will just die out, and that day has come and it's soon.

You're talking out yer a$$, Freddie. You don't have a frickin' clue, but that doesn't stop you from arguing with Noel, of all people. Seriously?


So no, VST 2.4 is not going to "die out". Even if it did, there is no basis to assume that VST3 would be its successor (other than "3" is a higher number than "2.4"). Rest easy, Freddie. You have nothing to worry about.

 
Really???
 
Hi All!
Don't kill the messenger! This is friendly reminder, nothing more. You can ignore it or can listen on what I’m tring to tell you.
 
I don’t care about VST3 per se, but I do  care if I can’t use my 3part plugins with SONAR X2. So I'm not a VST3 evangelist that some of you claim. It's all about functionality for me, that is my only concern!
 
Without saing too much next year 2013 perhaps going to be a big change?! 
Some of the major 3part manufaturies might perhaps end their VST2.4 support and replace it with VST 3.0/3.5 only. That means for any SONAR user that you can’t use any latest 3part plugins from those major 3part manufaturies. These manufaturies can hypothetical be: NI Komplete 9 (Kontakt 6, Absynth 6, and Reaktor 5.x Guitar Rig 6) UAD 2, Waves and some other leading 3part manufaturies, time will tell! So for example if I might want to update my Komplete 8 - to Komplete 9 (2013) or Waves lates bundel (2013) I can’t because I can’t use them in SONAR X2 anyway, no VST 2.4 support.  
 
 
 
For me the debate is over already, you are about experience it the hard way what I have been trying to tell you. IF this happen I hope Cakewalk will address then VST3 support faster then a bullit.
Still I think it will take months to address this so be aware that you might can’t use any latest version from those 3part manufaturies in a loooooooong time… Over and Out!

bitflipper

In the end VST 2.4 will just die out, and that day has come and it's soon.

VST 2.4 is not going to die out. Period. DAWs already support it. Do you think they're going to rip out the VST 2.4 code because it's no longer fashionable?



I will concede this one point to the VST3 evangelists: if all the plugin vendors decided to abandon VST 2.4 and sell only VST 3 products, then yes we'd be in trouble.
 
 
 
But the same thing could be said about AAX, AU or RTAS. Are you losing sleep because SONAR doesn't support Audio Units and never will? Do you know there are AU-only plugins out there that you can't have?

Plugins are a small market. Software vendors must broaden that market as much as possible by offering multiple versions - 32 and 64-bit versions, VST, AU and RTAS versions, light/free/demo and full-featured versions, plugin and standalone versions. There are exactly two vendors in the world that might be so arrogant as to not do so: Steinberg and Waves. 

Let's not forget the salient point in all this, which is that VST X is an interface specification, nothing more. It sets the rules by which two pieces of software exchange data. That's all. It does not dictate what a plugin can or cannot do internally any more than TCP/IP dictates what you and I can type here. A well-designed interface is inherently extensible, meaning it's capable of being adapted to things the original designers didn't think of. VST 2.4 is extensible. There is no intrinsic reason it should ever become obsolete.

So no, VST 2.4 is not going to "die out". Even if it did, there is no basis to assume that VST3 would be its successor (other than "3" is a higher number than "2.4"). Rest easy, Freddie. You have nothing to worry about.

Reeeeeeaaaaaally? 
   
 
Let’s see now who on the market that is affected of this new change to VST 3.5 only happen in 2013.
 
 
Logic Pro = AU plugins, not affected of the change.  *New sell of plugins!!!
 
 
DP = AU plugins, not affected of the change.  *New sell of plugins!!!
 
 
Pro Tools = new AAX-format, not affected of the change.  *New sell of plugins!!!
 
 
Cubase = Already VST3 support and AU plugins, not affected of the change.  *New sell of plugins!!!
 
 
Nuendo = Already VST3 support and AU plugins, not affected of the change.  *New sell of plugins!!!
 
 
Studio One = Already VST3 support, not affected of the change.  *New sell of plugins!!!
 
 
FL Studio = Already VST3 support, not affected of the change.  *New sell of plugins!!!
 
 
Vienna Ensemble Pro 5 = Already VST3 support and AU plugins, not affected of the change. *New sell of plugins!!!

 
 
n-Track Studio = Already VST3 support, not affected of the change.  *New sell of plugins!!!
 
 
Audition = Already VST3 support, not affected of the change.  *New sell of plugins!!!
 
 
Bitwig Studio = Already VST3 support, not affected of the change.  *New sell of plugins!!!
 
 
Audio Finder = Already VST3 support, not affected of the change.  *New sell of plugins!!!
 
 
RX = Already VST3 support, not affected of the change.  *New sell of plugins!!!
 
 
Wavelab = Already VST3 support, not affected of the change.  *New sell of plugins!!!
 
 
Sequel = Already VST3 support, not affected of the change.  *New sell of plugins!!!
 
 
SAVIHost = Already VST3 support, not affected of the change.  *New sell of plugins!!!
 
 
Novation Automap = Already VST3 support, not affected of the change.  *New sell of plugins!!!
 
 
Reaper 4 = (Today affected) hardly in 2013. New VST 3 update are on its way. *New sell of plugins!!!

 
 
 
 
 
SONAR X2 = Affected!  *No new Sell!
 
Samplitude = Affected! They recently got x64bit so not going very fast over there…   * No new Sell!
 
 
 
Do you honestly believe that they going to give dam about perhaps 3-5% or whole market don’t have VST3 support?
Think about it!

oh waaaaaaahhhhh!!!!!!!!


now that I got that out'n my system I'd like to know why it would be so all fired important that they worry about that?

SToons

firefly9000


The benefits of 2.4 vs 3 may be debatable... so may the fact that Steinberg threw 3 out there to gain something.

But IF Waves and other companies go the 3 route, then this is a mute debate. I get a chuckle out of people that keep repeating proudly on this thread their solution: THEY are doing just fine without these plugs so you should too... (why didn't I think of that - limiting my creativity, what a fantastic workaround) 

Followed by:

chuckebaby


what are we really missing with vst 3 ?
a handful of waves plug ins ?
its really not a big deal as far as im concerned.
i can live without it.

*sigh*

+1
 
The discussion of technical merits is irrelevant when something you purchase simply will not work in Sonar... and I simply cannot fathom the members who are campaigning against VST3 implementation on the basis that they do not need it, nor you should need it, or that said effects of such feature can be achieved in other ways... (in my case being advised i can spend $350 on a third party editor to compensate for the lack of VST3 support). This overall attitude is a sad reflection on the forum and i am very glad it does not translate into discussion of all feature requests..
 
can you imagine this attitude for example in say..pick staff view?.. hey!.. in this day and age who on earth would need it.. after all, i dont... never mind improving it, pfft..just take it out!!!..  after all, you can spend hundreds of dollars and do it another way of course..whats the problem?.... now..see how rediculous I sound?.. of course staff view should be improved as it is clear that there are members who need it....
 

Calm down people, VST3 is not new standard yet. As I say, it will be when Universal Audio implements it, remember my words... And then I think Cake can implement this support in one update patch easily.

Hi folks,
While I'm certainly not wading into this fight, I do keep reading in this thread that UAD and Waves will be VST3 only soon. I've Googled around (is "Googled" a word? If so, is it a verb? Nevermind...) and can't seem to find any source or confirmation for that. Can anyone post a link to the source of those assertions?

Dean

It is not true that UAD stated it will VST3 only. To date, VST3 only is only few developers, and most of them supporting VST2 as well. Someone here posting open letter from Bill Putnam where he wrote that UAD going to be 64 bit, nothing about VST3. Sonar is the first 64 DAW for your information and realise how many years the UAD waiting with it....

 

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I must say SONAR is darn fine program and SONAR X2 seem even better then X1. I'm glad they took their time addressing all kinds of long going problems with SONAR. 
 
I know and master many DAWs still I don't want to use anything else and most of that is because of the Pro Channel, Skylight GUI Icons and other nice features many other DAWs don't have. It's just sad to see it limp in some aspects. Anyway I will be on the X2 boat anyway.
 
I'm aware of some issues that can occur in the future but I hope Cakewalk address them as soon as possible..
I'm confident they do! They are not stupid at least not after this long thread!

Ah - you mean this letter:

http://www.gearslutz.com/...r-old-pci-e-cards.html

Wait...so is it correct to say that there is no evidence at all that new versions of Waves and UAD plugins will be VST3 only?