Jim Roseberry

I cannot integrate my $2200 synthesizer with VST as the editor is written solely for VST3..

Guess why Yamaha required VST3 support for the Motif Editor...  
Might have something to do with wanting to tie you into using Cubase (which was the only app that supported VST3 when the editor was originally released)... and just happens to be owned by Yamaha.

Korg managed to make a M3 VSTi editor that works just fine under VST2.4 spec
BTW, There's a 3rd party Motif Editor that blows away the VSTi version.  

The list of VST3 features posted (copied/pasted from Steinberg) above gets a little silly.
VST3 necessary for plugins processing at 64Bit resolution???  Not hardly...

With all the potential ways to spend time/resources, the Bakers have to prioritize what will benefit the largest segment of their user base.  Based on what Noel explained (and has numerous times), it's clear that VST3 support in-and-of-itself would offer little direct benefit vs. what could be done with VST2.4. This is why it hasn't been a top priority.

FWIW, my Motif works just fine with Sonar and the 3rd party editor.  

I frankly have no idea if you have a point or if so what it is..  but as counter-bullets:
 
Roland should have driven Sonar to support the most popular workstation by far. period. the failure to do so was a major competitive blunder given that DAW entry is often via workstations/sequencers.
M3 predated VST3 by a lifetime, as does Virus, Fantom G etc..  so thats an irelevant comment.
Customer and market requirements have a perception vs reality gap ... and the failure to recognise that, along with complacency & arrogance causes companies to lose ground.
 
CW knows full well they need to add VST3, you dont need it, others do.. nice and simple...so i shall leave it at that
 
 

I think there are a ton of answers here as well...

http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=204080&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

Linear Phase


I think there are a ton of answers here as well...

http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=204080&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

There are a lot of various "mixed" responses here..FROM JANUARY OF 2008.....OVER 4 years ago...

Some pro...some con...as always...  
Bottom line..it's here...it's NOW...and it's a done deal...
 
Nearly EVERY DAW (PC BASED) out there has added support for this...quite a while ago...

AND ...after 4 years....Cake is STILL hemming at it?

NOT WISE...
 
Cheers!

I frankly have no idea if you have a point or if so what it is.. 

The point is... you're throwing out (your) opinion as fact.

No VST3 support for the Motif is a "deal breaker" or "non starter" 
As a fellow Motif XS owner... I'm here to tell you that isn't so.  It's pretty easy to work around the issue.
Instead of asking Cakewalk why they don't support VST3, ask Yamaha why they re-invented the wheel.
Why change a standard that didn't need changed?  It was simply to give themselves a competitive edge.
To stiff-arm end users into using their products...

BTW, I've owned every flagship keyboard workstation from every manufacturer... and calling the Motif XS/XF "the most popular workstation by far" is a little bit of a stretch.  Again, it's opinion expressed as fact.

The M3 didn't predate the XS by a significant amount of time.
There are no magical features in the Motif VSTi editor that couldn't have been implemented using the VST2.4 standard.  Your frustration/disappointment is focused on the wrong group.

Jim Roseberry

I frankly have no idea if you have a point or if so what it is.. 

Why change a standard that didn't need changed?  It was simply to give themselves a competitive edge.
To stiff-arm end users into using their products...


Why make a NEW SOFTWARE VERSION when the one your using is ok???
 
 
NEW FEATURES
NEW IMPLEMENATIONS
BETTER FUNCTIONALITY
BETTER USAGE
BETTER WORKFLOW
BETTER>>>BETTER>>>>BETTER>>>NEW>>>>BETTER>>>>

Seems to be the case in ALL SOFTWARE SITUATIONS...

Silly post...

cclarry

.......

NOT WISE...
 
Cheers!

"not wise?"  What happens when Cakewalk does add vst3?   Sonar is definitely Cubase's main competitor, so what do you think Yama/Stein is going to do?   Release vst4...  Why?   Just as the CTO of this company has said, "there is expense involved."


My guess is that an update like, "X2," costs several million dollars to produce...  We don't notice that as Expanded Customers because our cost is a mere $99.00...


Its obvious that, "Cakewalk must have more customers than the 100 or so, (myself included,) who like to play on the forum."

I guess the bet is, that the vast majority of these customers have no need yet, for vst 3...  ?????   

And I am not ignoring other peoples wants and wishes.  I am just providing an alternative point of view.


Cheers



Btw, I've got no need for vst3.  and I don't want the expense passed my way either....

Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk]

We do features in response to the volume of customer requests. VST3 has been way at the bottom of that pile.  

While it's great that CW is responsive to customer requests, one of CW's missions should be to anticipate important developments that ordinary users might not see coming, e.g. VST3.  However (un)likely the scenario is, if a major vendor like UAD or Waves starts making their plugins VST3-only (with no easy workaround for non-VST3 hosts), you can bet that VST3 support will quickly jump to the top of that "pile" -- and CW should be ready for that.  Perhaps Noel has a better idea than most of us about the timing for these things, but I trust he's staying abreast of developments so that there are no major problems for his customers. 
 
BTW, it's cool that the CTO posts in here ... official input is always appreciated.  And yes, X2 looks really good.  I'm looking forward to the upgrade!
 
Cheers,
Eddie

BluerecordingStudios


All we want to say here is that VST3 is not important now.

Maybe to you it isn't - and that is fine. But there are those of us that find it very important, so please don't try speaking for us.
 
For me it is not a big deal, as I have already moved on. Cake simply will not have any chance of retaining / regaining me as a customer until they implement VST3. I know you do not care about that - but Cake should, because I am not alone!

I doubt there are *that* many users who will flat out not upgrade to X2 (or even use SONAR at all) strictly because of VST3.   I'm not saying they don't exist, because this thread certainly proves otherwise.   But it seems the number of users that may benefit from the features that X2 does include far outweigh those that would benefit from VST3.   At least based on yesterday's webinar.
 
To me, X2 seems to be all about workflow.   And "workflow" has been a topic around these parts way longer, and more frequently, than just about any other topic.  I take all of this to literally mean that CW has been listening to its user base.  But as they say, the proof will be in the pudding...
 

Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk
]


>>but, as always, Cake has FAILED to make  pre-empitive strike at CURRENT technologies for the sake of their users... 

As always, really? How about being the first to support X64, supporting every single processor architecture, preemptive support for every version of Windows to name just a few. VST3 being lower importance not arbitrarily decided, as I outlined in my message. There are plenty of things we did in X2 that were way higher in the feature list that the vast majority of users would benefit from before VST3. We do features in response to the volume of customer requests. VST3 has been way at the bottom of that pile. 

Anyway I've said what I have to say on this topic so there is no point in beating it to death here. It has absolutely nothing to do with politics but everything to do with supporting the most immediate needs of our user base first, and making the best use of our engineering resources.

I couldn't agree more Noel.
Great! I really appreciate the vast update you have done with X2. The new things that you have done are more important then VST3.  
 
* New Glitch free audio engine  384 kHz, 64 bit double precisions
* Rebuild the whole Automation. Copy and paste work again.
* New Automation Lanes!
* New Take lane
* New Smart Tool
* The new Pro Channel elements. 3 new console emulations. BREVERB
* New Pro Channels FX Chain
* The new drag and drop any 3part VST (not VST3 though) into Pro Channel and it became a Pro   Channel module instead.
* Flexible routing in Pro Channel
 
 
Awesome thank you. Now when you have done all that I hope that in the near future we will see VST3 support + the new free Melodyne ARA implemented in SONAR. If we got that small things added we would have the best DAW on the market right now.
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