bobguitkillerleft

Very nice anouncement from Bill[???Freddie?],so I guess its all cool if Noel said it will happen?[I missed THAT completely]....phew panicked for a minute or 5,so VST3 support will eventually happen then?,I'AM worried about waves "not working" soon though[especially as they're ALL I'm using lately-sorry but the PC2a is not quite the CLA2A or 3A but close-sish....sort of?]


These late night posts,always become embarrassing!
Bob

Bob my friend!
 
Don’t worry. I’m sure Cakewalk has a plan adding any kind of new technology that are needed and required so their users can continue use the 3part software’s they have purchase. They are not stupid, you know.
 
After this stromy thread they do understand that vast of their users really want it!


 

Linear Phase





Cheers



Btw, I've got no need for vst3.  and I don't want the expense passed my way either....

 
 
Sure, I can admit that all my plugins that I use for now have support of both VST2.4 and VST 3 support.
In a near future this might not be the case. 3part manufactures will soon abandoned VST2.4 and only support VST3. Then we have real problems, so our concerns are valid!
Even if you don't need it today VST3 should still be there and fully supported in SONAR platform years ago. If I had VST3 support today in SONAR I sure would use it instead of VST 2.4.
 
SONAR should be pioneer and early adopters of all kinds of technology. That is what Cakewalk SONAR brand stands for. It’s their trademark.
Let’s push the envelope!

Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk
]

Additionally SONAR has always optimized to not stream through plugins that do not have an active audio stream.  

Ah yes. The way it should be. You wouldn't be able to see it that way if you have your head stuck in a bunch of  steinberg marketing mumbo jumbo. 

And UAD aligning with steinberg? Big shocker there. Remember those years and years of UAD trouble in SONAR, but they just magically worked correctly in cubase (i.e., "the test bed"). Those were the days. And Yamaha with their "VST3 only" editor... the first VST3-only thing of any kind, IIRC. Another shocker... Yamaha... VST3 only.

VST3 has not reached the "de facto" level of VST2.4 yet. It may get there at some point, but VST2.4 is still by far the de facto standard. Even if VST3 reaches that point, and the jury is still out on broad market support when compared to 2.4, there is a migration period, like with any technology. You don't just wake one day and declare: VST3 is the new standard! So for a company like Waves to come out with a VST3 only plugin is a bit of a joke. It's like they're saying "we don't care what the current de facto standard is in the market, we're going to do it our way". Typical arrogance. People typically have many tools at their disposal. Some of those tools support VST3, some don't. And some of those tools that don't support VST3 are very popular tools to boot. So you do the math... This is not saying VST3 = bad or unnecessary... it's just saying: don't believe the hype from biased sources, and don't expect an entire software market to jump every time the likes of Yamaha and Waves says "jump". Imagine all those Ableton Live and Reaper users who won't be buying Vocal Rider?

Linear Phase

cclarry

.......

NOT WISE...

Cheers!

"not wise?"  What happens when Cakewalk does add vst3?   Sonar is definitely Cubase's main competitor, so what do you think Yama/Stein is going to do?   Release vst4...  Why?   Just as the CTO of this company has said, "there is expense involved."


My guess is that an update like, "X2," costs several million dollars to produce...  We don't notice that as Expanded Customers because our cost is a mere $99.00...


Its obvious that, "Cakewalk must have more customers than the 100 or so, (myself included,) who like to play on the forum."

I guess the bet is, that the vast majority of these customers have no need yet, for vst 3...  ?????   

And I am not ignoring other peoples wants and wishes.  I am just providing an alternative point of view.


Cheers



Btw, I've got no need for vst3.  and I don't want the expense passed my way either....

Sonar is NOT Cubase's biggest competitor...NOT EVEN CLOSE...CUBASE - WORLD WIDE
is the LARGEST INSTALLED DAW in the WORLD....and Pro Junk is their MAIN competitor..
AND as you can see from the NEW Music Radar Survey, Sonar is #5 on their list.
Which isn't a BAD showing...BUT...
FL STUDIO - a program that costs about 1/2 the price, has VST 3 Support,
and comes with LIFETIME FREE UPDATES...is #1
 
You people on here are completely erroneous in your assupmptions...
If you took a POLL of REAL WORLD USERS....NOT people on this forum
You'd find that a GREAT NUMBER OF USERS want and, more importantly NEED VST3 Support...
 
If that were not the case then EVERY OTHER DAW in the PC world wouldn't be implementing it!!!
 
Are you people REALLY that NAIVE?  WOW.....I can't believe the craziness I hear on this forum
and the politcal CRAP that comes out of Cakes mouths...

It really is disheartening...

VST3 was implemented 4 year ago....and we have TWO...count them TWO major failures in the DAW WORLD
 
1. Pro Crap Tools is STILL 32 bit - which is a COMPLETE TRAVESTY
2. Cakewalk is STILL non- vst 3 compliant - even after 4 years of the standard being out there...

MAYBE...JUST MAYBE...they should spend MORE TIME IN THE REAL DAW world
and LESS TIME in THIS FORUM to GET THEIR INFORMATION...

Let me be clear about this ....I DON'T USE VST 3 .....nor do I NEED IT...
BUT THE REST OF THE DAW WORLD IS ALREADY THERE...and yet ...IT"S LOW ON THE LIST.
 
And Cake keeps saying...IT'S NOT IMPORTANT....we had more important things to do...
It's LOW on OUR list....YET...just in this thread alone more than 50 percent
are saying that IT IS....and MANY are saying they won't even upgrade now because it's NOT THERE...

You people SERIOUSLY must have "Tunnel Vision" because OUT THERE...in the REAL WORLD.
IT'S not only NEEDED...it's ALREADY THERE...

Just like improvements to the Staff View...I don't use it...but most other DAW's have BETTER implementations,
and I see SO MANY PEOPLE on this forum talk about it...and YET...Cake leaves it as is...
So why is Cake dragging their feet?   Is it because their SURVEY on THIS FORUM said it wasn't important?
And BELIEVE ME...this FORUM does not REPRESENT the REAL WORLD...
OR is it because THEY DON'T WANT TO INVEST IN IT....
 
WOW....crazy...

FACTS ARE FACTS...that's all ...BYE BYE...

And Cake keeps saying...IT'S NOT IMPORTANT....we had more important things to do...

 
- Automation Lanes
- Track Lanes
- FX Chains in the ProChannel
- Auto Snap
- Snap Override
- Smart Grid
- Improved lasso/selection
 
Those are a few of the new features that I remember from the webinar, and that I personally consider more important than VST3.  So I completely agree with CW on this point.   As the old saying goes, the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.   And I'd wager that these new features stand a better chance of applying to the many.
 

stevec

And Cake keeps saying...IT'S NOT IMPORTANT....we had more important things to do...

 
- Automation Lanes
- Track Lanes
- FX Chains in the ProChannel
- Auto Snap
- Snap Override
- Smart Grid
- Improved lasso/selection
 
Those are a few of the new features that I remember from the webinar, and that I personally consider more important than VST3.  So I completely agree with CW on this point.   As the old saying goes, the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.   And I'd wager that these new features stand a better chance of applying to the many.
 

This is the last thing I'm posting here...because "A man persuaded against his will - is of the same opinion still"
Those features may be VERY important to some...great...no problem.

But that does not dimish the importance of VST 3 implemenation.
Plug Manufacturers and PC DAW's have been using and implementing it for 4 years now...while Cake sits on their lists.

I don't use it...I don't need it...BUT...I understand the NEED and reason for the NEED, and that is why I support
it.

Guys...it's just common sense...not rocket science..
 
I guess that's the travesty of seeing the BIG picture...and not just what's on this forum...
which is, apparently, what Cake bases their "lists" on...which, if so, is sad.
 
 

Seems that cclarry is only one who needs VST3 support in Sonar right now. I am glad that Cakewalk paid attention to more important things, for me especially Console summing models - the only DAW on market with this plugin integrated. Another few steps ahead competitors. And cclarry, Sonar and Cubase are leading DAWs each with their strongs and weaks, so I am happy that you will not posting another childish BS like "Sonar is not even close to Cubase". It looks weird if I read your signature and find that you using latest Sonar software with all ProChannel plugins. Maybe it will be better if you dont ever post anything on this forum in the future. Bye bye :D

In all fairness, cclarry did say that he doesn't personally need VST3, but does see the need for it when looking at the big picture.   And in that context I think it makes sense.   However, VST3 is just one aspect of the big picture.
 

Those features may be VERY important to some...great...no problem.

 
Maybe it's just me, but I really do see the use of those features I listed as being way more widespread than VST3 plugins.  IOW, I look at VST3 as the "some" and those other features as the "many".   That was really my only point - that CW's decision to spend their time and effort on features like those instead of VST3 was a good one.     Agree to disagree and all that.   

BluerecordingStudios


Seems that cclarry is only one who needs VST3 support in Sonar right now. I am glad that Cakewalk paid attention to more important things, for me especially Console summing models - the only DAW on market with this plugin integrated. Another few steps ahead competitors. And cclarry, Sonar and Cubase are leading DAWs each with their strongs and weaks, so I am happy that you will not posting another childish BS like "Sonar is not even close to Cubase". It looks weird if I read your signature and find that you using latest Sonar software with all ProChannel plugins. Maybe it will be better if you dont ever post anything on this forum in the future. Bye bye :D

Someone is not even reading the thread...and commenting.....imagine that..

VST3 is important to me, particularly because I work with orchestral music and Cubase has used it to make articulation switching so easy. I have to decide whether to stay put with Sonar (automation lanes helps) or swallow hard and spend the money necessary to switch, money I would much rather reserve to add to my VSL library or my Kontakt-based library.
 
In the end, I probably won't switch to Cubase just yet. And I recognize that many, perhaps most people on the Sonar forums couldn't care less about VST3. Perhaps it's just a matter of their customer base having a different set of interests than those of Cubase, I don't know. If so Sonar would just be catering to their particular customers.
 
For my particular uses, Sonar has made a marketing choice not to pursue VST3 or an improved Staff View, and it's choice has left me feeling that I may have hitched my wagon to the wrong DAW. It is what it is, and no amount of bickering is going to change it.