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2016/07/28 17:33:16
sharke
I know. Who drinks cocktails? Just pour me a damn beer!
2016/07/29 04:44:09
Siluroo
Its not just the manual labor jobs under threat, a lot of legal/accounting/engineering types of jobs are also being replaced for the more repetitive types of tasks.  I was recently reading online about a successful divorce system somewhere in Europe, although for the more complex cases they still use real people to mediate, most of it was automated.  In the legal profession, most of the searches are being automated also.  In engineering there are programs that do the modelling and more.
 
I also remember reading about research being done on music, to see how it affects mood etc, with the aim of automating song writing.
 
I was recently at a funeral, was talking to someone who works in mental health, and they were complaining about the lack of freedom in assessment methods decision making, they told me if you dont follow a step by step procedure you get fired and get replaced by someone who will do what they are told, so even psychological support jobs are becoming automated, though they still have a real person as a contact point.
 
Met one of my old school friends, downtown, a few months ago, he is joiner/cabinetmaker, where he works, all they do now is draw a design in a computer, and hire other people to monitor the machines, its all cut by robots so it just basically slots together like an IKEA product.   He was going nuts with boredom, but is not qualified to do anything else, and is now stuck on a low wage working long hours to pay for house and children.
 
I go to see the doctor, they ask me what the symptoms are, then key them in, the database then spits out some questions, they ask them, or do there observations, and the computer comes back with the diagnosis/recommendations for treatment.  I leave the doctors room wondering why I could not have done this over the internet, and saved myself a 1 hour wait in the waiting room etc.
 
I go to the chemist (drugstore in american speak), take in a prescription (doctors drug order) for medication, they enter it into the computer, a robot the size of a small bedroom processes it, prints a label, sticks a label with persons name and directions onto the required drug box, and it drops it out like airport snack vending machine.  There is no part of that process that requires a pharmacist attendant other than to refill the machine and pass me the end product.  I really do not know why the doctor does not email the request to a distribution center for either pickup or to be mailed to my home address.
 
Geez, even contacting most large companies by phone to either pay a bill to make an inquiry takes you through 15 minutes of automated questions, and a further option of completing a automated satisfaction survey at the end.  Its actually quite difficult to get to speak a person at some Institutions, and others impossible.
 
Automation is changing the world, doing what computers did to typewriters and draftsmen in the 90's, and there are very few jobs that are anywhere near safe.  That includes most of the thinking type ones, the only real brake on progress is peoples fear of machines, ie, wanting a real person to talk too.
 
As for people not looking or wanting work, I just finished watching the local news here, and were two main relevant issues to this article, problems with increasing numbers of homeless people in the city of Melbourne's streets and a survey showing more and more people are having to travel up to 4 hours to get to work, as where the jobs are the housing is so expensive that they cannot afford to buy in or rent.  Melbourne is supposedly one of the most liveable cities in the world if you believe Wikipedia and the agency that rate that sort of thing.
 
As someone else mentioned earlier, people are becoming sheep, and last time I checked, sheep are not getting paid to think!
2016/07/29 10:30:48
Moshkito
Hi,
 
I must have been lucky, or able to find the right folks. In the 5+ years I managed two restaurants (King's Table Buffet) here in Oregon and Washington, I had the lowest turnover of employees, mostly because I could not afford to be on the training mode. In general, I always seemed to find the right person, even if one or two were in school and just needed a part time job and the like. 
 
Probably the worst comment (best?) I ever got, was this girl that was an all-state swim champion for Pendleton High, and my take was ... you can have as many hours as you want if your grades are good or better. She already was a straight A student anyway, but she had dreams and plans. A few days later, she asked me what I thought if she applied to the big schools in California and such. I did not know what I should tell her, so I was honest, but I DID KNOW something about the tennis players, when one of the girls from Blue Mountain (one of the top 2) was all hot to trot about going to Long Beach State and thought she would be Number One there. I could easily beat her 6-2/6-2 ... and I can also tell you that the girls at UCSB, in the same league, were way better, and they could easily beat me 6-2/6-2. So she asked me if she had a chance? I suggested that if she went for studies, might be better, but if she wanted to work her swimming fine, but to take it a step at a time, and hope for the best. She made up her mind to go to Stanford.
 
Two months later I got an angry parent after they had eaten dinner ... you had to help my daughter go away, didn't you? Not really. I was more concerned with her level of competition and getting blown out and quit. As had happened with the tennis player at Blue Mountain, who came back after a quarter totally dismantled and disappointed. She had no idea of the level she was going to face, and when someone warned her, she would not believe me, or anyone. 
 
So, after the comment, and the parents leaving he goes ... but dang'it ... now I'm broke, but she's going to one of the best schools in the country. That's kinda cool.
 
Oh, btw, she did make it to their swim team and they won the Pac 10 the next two years.
 
My thoughts are ... you can not "change" the person, but you can help them get better and at least better centered. I always thought that fellow managers were incredible ... the best dishwasher, the best bus'er, the best cook ... and I looked at them with total amazement ... at how we thought we could "control" these folks with fake ideas and absolution's. 
 
I wish I had a few more full time positions, but I was in two places where I could only have two or three full time positions and I had to blend, mix and match the best I could. But I had no ideas or misgivings, as to what this job was about. There is ALWAYS a kid somewhere that will gladly put out, because you gave him/her a chance to learn and move along ... 
2016/07/29 13:34:48
michaelhanson
sharke
thedukewestern
I have hired the occasional engineer to cover for me when I have to miss a weekend at the church - one time - someone who seemed to be decent, was a complete moron, and... called at 815am on a sunday saying he was "sick"... more like still wasted and afraid of a dwi.
 
When you DO finally find people that are congruent - treat them very well!  Its a blessing!


True! I always tell prospective employees, if you make a good first impression with me I will hire you like a shot! But we have descended into a society of slack jawed, slack brained time wasters for whom unreliability is a byword. I hate to say it but the current young generation is a disgrace when compared to older generations.

People bandy about all sorts of ideas and reasons as to why the economy is in such a dire state but nobody talks about bad employees and a crappy work ethic and the cost to the economy.


Sadly, I must agree.
2016/07/29 22:47:14
eph221
Moshkito
Hi,
 
I must have been lucky, or able to find the right folks. In the 5+ years I managed two restaurants (King's Table Buffet) here in Oregon and Washington, I had the lowest turnover of employees, mostly because I could not afford to be on the training mode. In general, I always seemed to find the right person, even if one or two were in school and just needed a part time job and the like. 
 
Probably the worst comment (best?) I ever got, was this girl that was an all-state swim champion for Pendleton High, and my take was ... you can have as many hours as you want if your grades are good or better. She already was a straight A student anyway, but she had dreams and plans. A few days later, she asked me what I thought if she applied to the big schools in California and such. I did not know what I should tell her, so I was honest, but I DID KNOW something about the tennis players, when one of the girls from Blue Mountain (one of the top 2) was all hot to trot about going to Long Beach State and thought she would be Number One there. I could easily beat her 6-2/6-2 ... and I can also tell you that the girls at UCSB, in the same league, were way better, and they could easily beat me 6-2/6-2. So she asked me if she had a chance? I suggested that if she went for studies, might be better, but if she wanted to work her swimming fine, but to take it a step at a time, and hope for the best. She made up her mind to go to Stanford.
 
Two months later I got an angry parent after they had eaten dinner ... you had to help my daughter go away, didn't you? Not really. I was more concerned with her level of competition and getting blown out and quit. As had happened with the tennis player at Blue Mountain, who came back after a quarter totally dismantled and disappointed. She had no idea of the level she was going to face, and when someone warned her, she would not believe me, or anyone. 
 
So, after the comment, and the parents leaving he goes ... but dang'it ... now I'm broke, but she's going to one of the best schools in the country. That's kinda cool.
 
Oh, btw, she did make it to their swim team and they won the Pac 10 the next two years.
 
My thoughts are ... you can not "change" the person, but you can help them get better and at least better centered. I always thought that fellow managers were incredible ... the best dishwasher, the best bus'er, the best cook ... and I looked at them with total amazement ... at how we thought we could "control" these folks with fake ideas and absolution's. 
 
I wish I had a few more full time positions, but I was in two places where I could only have two or three full time positions and I had to blend, mix and match the best I could. But I had no ideas or misgivings, as to what this job was about. There is ALWAYS a kid somewhere that will gladly put out, because you gave him/her a chance to learn and move along ... 


Moshkito I'm serious, you missed your calling as a writer!  
2016/07/30 08:23:20
Beagle
sharke
 
On top of that, because this is a so-called "progressive" city, I am now prohibited by law from asking people if they have a criminal record. I'm only allowed to carry out a background check after I've offered them the position, and even then I'm only permitted to pass on an applicant if they have a criminal history that's directly related to the job. So for instance, since my employees are going to be in possession of clients' apartment keys, I could pass if they have a conviction for burglary. But if they have a conviction for manslaughter or wife beating or possession of a flick knife, legally I have to hire them. It's absurd, the people who write these laws have clearly never run so much as a lemonade stand. Rant!


that's just asinine!!  what good does it do an employer to run a background check AFTER they've offered someone a position????
2016/07/30 08:31:09
eph221
We have a similar law viz rejection based on background check that has to be related to job activities.  I value this aspect of the law to protect laborers with bad credit.  In a down market, lots of folks had bad credit and without that law they could have been rejected for dog walking jobs Hhow does bad credit affect walking a dog? (Doesn't the person with bad credit need a job worse than the person with good credit!!)  Of course in a free market, why should anything come between master and servant?  Practically, it's more complicated.  I'd never be able to win that argument.  Why shouldn't you be able to hire anyone you want?!! :D:D
2016/07/30 08:56:33
Siluroo
There are also practicalities, how many billions of background checks would be need to be done part of the job screening process.  Even the OP here has had hundreds of applicants, and I know for some jobs I have applied for in the past there have been 1000's.
 
 
 
2016/07/30 09:51:45
Moshkito
eph221
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Moshkito I'm serious, you missed your calling as a writer!  




That was the problem ... I was  a writer and artist a midst a bunch of child molesters, rapists and generally dishonest folks in management next to me in other restaurants! We haven't even mentioned the money "borrowed" from petty cash, yet!
2016/07/30 09:51:53
SteveStrummerUK
 
 
What sort of dog owners actually pay for a service like this? I wouldn't even consider owning a pooch if I wasn't prepared to exercise it, or if it meant leaving it home alone for hours on end. Fair enough I suppose if the owner is physically disabled, but if the excuse is that the owner is too 'busy', I wouldn't consider them to be good candidates to own a mutt anyway.
 
I find it all quite absurd that such a service is booming, more so that dog owners are prepared to hand over enough cash to allow James to pay someone $20-ish an hour and still cream off enough to make a profit.
 
Still, good on you mate for filling that niche!
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