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2016/07/30 11:03:59
sharke
SteveStrummerUK
 
 
What sort of dog owners actually pay for a service like this? I wouldn't even consider owning a pooch if I wasn't prepared to exercise it, or if it meant leaving it home alone for hours on end. Fair enough I suppose if the owner is physically disabled, but if the excuse is that the owner is too 'busy', I wouldn't consider them to be good candidates to own a mutt anyway.
 
I find it all quite absurd that such a service is booming, more so that dog owners are prepared to hand over enough cash to allow James to pay someone $20-ish an hour and still cream off enough to make a profit.
 
Still, good on you mate for filling that niche!


I don't see anything wrong with hiring a dog walker to take your dog out whilst you're at work. I don't think being at work and unable to come home in the middle of the day makes you lazy or a neglectful dog owner or anything like that. I guess by that logic, the only people "fit to own dogs" would be those who don't work? Hiring a dog walker is at least a huge step up from those who leave their dog at home or tied up outside all day when they work. I had this discussion years ago with a friend back home in Newcastle who said the same thing, that people who hired a service to walk their dog were obviously too rich and lazy to do it themselves. I asked him what he did with his dog when he was at work for 8 hours every day. He said he walked it before work, then again as soon as he got home. Well there you go - the people who use the dog walking service do that too, only they go one better and pay to have their dog walker once or twice in between as well whereas his dog sat at home alone all day.

I'm from Newcastle and I know the prevalent attitude there is to leave the dog home alone all day, or worse still, tied up in the yard in the cold north east weather. Which is why the sound of dogs barking is endlessly is a common thing. The owners don't care about the dog or their neighbors because hey, "out of sight out of mind" and of course the dog is so happy to see them when they get home, they think they must be doing something right. This attitude is changing however and I'm seeing more and more dog walking services crop up in the UK, including one just started by a Facebook friend of mine.

In all the years I've done this, I don't think I've had one client who hired us to walk their dog while they were at home, with the exception of the occasional person with broken limbs etc. So I think the real scorn should be directed at people who get a dog and leave it home unattended all day whole they're at work, not the people who care enough about their dogs to hire a service (omg I love those people - esp. their $$$'s!)
2016/07/30 11:53:57
sharke
Siluroo
There are also practicalities, how many billions of background checks would be need to be done part of the job screening process.  Even the OP here has had hundreds of applicants, and I know for some jobs I have applied for in the past there have been 1000's. 



The "job screening process" starts right at the application, and that's where you rule out the majority of applicants. For instance, I've learned over the years that someone who does not pay close attention to detail and doesn't follow instructions carefully usually turns out to be a terrible employee. So when I put "please enclose a cover letter explaining why you want the job - all applications without cover letters will be rejected" in the application, I can go right ahead and delete all applicants who didn't bother reading that part (or who read it and thought "I'm not doing that.") Unfortunately with today's generation, that turns out to be a good 95% of them (I'm not even kidding!) Still, regardless of how many people it rules out, you have to separate the wheat from the chaff. 
 
Of that remaining 5%, I can whittle it down even further by rejecting applications from people who give some indication that they have something else going on which would interfere with the hours posted (a surprising number say things like "I'm available for those hours, oh except Tuesday mornings and every second Thursday afternoon") and those whose job history indicates that they flit from job to job every couple of months. In this way you can whittle 150 applicants down to a handful, and then it's on to the phone calls. Some of them I will reject off the bat by their surly, rude attitude on the phone (it's amazing how many people make themselves sound bubbly and affable in their applications but who do nothing but grunt and "mmmph!" when you call them). 
 
So I'd love to be able to carry out background checks on the few remaining candidates to avoid wasting any more of my time. However I'm now unable to do that legally unless I've formally offered them the job. The trouble is that the ignorant nincompoops who dream up these laws automatically see me, the business owner, as some sadistic cigar chomping tycoon who sits on a pile of gold dreaming up ways to exploit the working classes, when in actual fact if they had just one minute's experience of starting and running a business they would be aware of how many business owners are just ordinary working class Joe's like me - not rich, not cigar chomping and at times struggling to stay afloat. What aren't I entitled to protection from potentially bad employees? This is my life and my livelihood and I've put years of blood, sweat and tears into it. 
2016/07/30 13:55:41
eph221
Moshkito
eph221
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Moshkito I'm serious, you missed your calling as a writer!  




That was the problem ... I was  a writer and artist a midst a bunch of child molesters, rapists and generally dishonest folks in management next to me in other restaurants! We haven't even mentioned the money "borrowed" from petty cash, yet!


OMG moshkito...so many of those here..we honest pervs get grouped in with those fools all the time:D:D
2016/08/04 08:33:14
Kalle Rantaaho
It seems to me the undertsanding about how average, everyday life actually is has somehow gotten corrupted.
So many, especially many of the ones with less resources/ambition for studies seem to think that it's "normal" to get through your life with some kind of gimmick. Becoming a Reality-TV star, playing Warcraft or webpoker as a professional, starting a really succesfull fashion blog that gets 10 million followers (plus the traditional ones, rock star or movie actor)...you name it. 
This kind of distractions are everywhere today. Kids have always had unrealistic ambitions, and it's ok,  but in the "old world" they were dropped down to earth much faster than today.
 
My son is in the game programming business, and partly due to that I've met/heard  quite a few young men whos total lack of realism is stunning. Also, very important, the hype around some of the great heros of computer world likes to present them as "ordinary, careless kids who just had and idea and became millionaires". It isn't emphasized anywhere, that practically all of them were/are in good universities studying hard when they got their ideas. That goes with the creators of Angry Birds, Max Payne and some others here in Finland as well. The guys mostly have high(est) level university education in economics and computer science etc. They haven't gotten where they are just drawing monsters in the bedroom.
 
2016/08/04 09:34:10
sharke
Kalle Rantaaho
It seems to me the undertsanding about how average, everyday life actually is has somehow gotten corrupted.
So many, especially many of the ones with less resources/ambition for studies seem to think that it's "normal" to get through your life with some kind of gimmick. Becoming a Reality-TV star, playing Warcraft or webpoker as a professional, starting a really succesfull fashion blog that gets 10 million followers (plus the traditional ones, rock star or movie actor)...you name it. 
This kind of distractions are everywhere today. Kids have always had unrealistic ambitions, and it's ok,  but in the "old world" they were dropped down to earth much faster than today.
 
My son is in the game programming business, and partly due to that I've met/heard  quite a few young men whos total lack of realism is stunning. Also, very important, the hype around some of the great heros of computer world likes to present them as "ordinary, careless kids who just had and idea and became millionaires". It isn't emphasized anywhere, that practically all of them were/are in good universities studying hard when they got their ideas. That goes with the creators of Angry Birds, Max Payne and some others here in Finland as well. The guys mostly have high(est) level university education in economics and computer science etc. They haven't gotten where they are just drawing monsters in the bedroom.
 



 
Bingo! I've always said that the current culture of social media/celebrity obsession has had a huge negative influence on the current young generation. They watch reality TV and they see completely and utterly untalented d-bags elevated from nothing into positions of fame and wealth and they presume that the same thing is available to them, without ever stopping to think that such a life course is only available to one in a million people. You've always had a similar kind of thing in the inner city hoods wherein a lot of kids grow up thinking that basketball and rap music are viable career paths because of the number of basketball players and rappers who started life in underprivileged conditions like them. But for every multimillionaire rapper there are thousands of wannabes who end up pounding the streets trying to sell amateur rap CD's to tourists. 
 
Not only that but reality TV is making people more and more confrontational. They see these fake confrontations set up for the cameras in which nothing is going to get too out of control because there's a production team and security staff on hand, and they start behaving like that in real life with the predictable consequences. I've noticed a lot of girls have adopted this head wobbling, finger wagging, hand on hip affectation that they've seen on TV. It's really unpleasant. 
 
Funnily enough the young guy I ended up hiring for the position I wrote this post about turned out to be someone who has been catapulted to Instagram fame. He was featured in national newspapers and blogs and went viral on social media for reasons I won't go into to preserve his anonymity, and now has a million+ followers. Companies offer him free stuff to promote on his Instagram. Despite this, he's managed to keep a head on his shoulders and realizes that social media fame isn't a career path, so he's going into the police department in a couple of years and needs a solid job to keep him going in the meantime. I guess the difference is he comes from a good family and has had common sense instilled in him. 
 
I also have a young employee who is starting his education in game production at night school and has no delusions as to the amount of work it's going to take to get into the business. His first kid has just been born too so he's been thrust into the start realities of life at a relatively early age. These types of kids have always turned out to be the best employees for me. When you meet someone with their head on their shoulders these days, they're like gold dust.
 
Funny you should talk about game developers because a few years ago one of my clients was a legendary game developer who created an extremely popular game series in the 80's which sold hundreds of millions of copies. I have no idea of his net worth but he funded his own trip into space for $30 million in 2008 to give you a sense of just how rich. And his games were programmed solo, in BASIC! No huge production team. Back then I think it was a lot easier to come up with a hit on your own, these days it requires a huge collaborative effort of technicians and artists to make something which meets modern video game expectations. But the rewards are there if you're prepared to make the effort and work your way up. I have a friend back home who, as a young stoner in the 90's, took a job as a game tester (yep, the ultimate stoner job) and worked his way up through the company into one of the country's top game producers. But it took years. For the vast majority of people, there are no shortcuts. 
2016/08/04 12:26:58
craigb

 
Ok.  Fine.  I'll think about a different career path... 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

2016/08/04 12:32:38
jamesg1213
craigb

 
Ok.  Fine.  I'll think about a different career path... 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 





Tech support scammer?
2016/08/04 12:52:01
craigb
Funny you should say that James.  I just happened to log in remotely to your computer and noticed that you have quite a few viruses on there!  Now I can help you get rid of them...
2016/08/04 13:06:33
jamesg1213
craigb
Funny you should say that James.  I just happened to log in remotely to your computer and noticed that you have quite a few viruses on there!  Now I can help you get rid of them...




I am having many many wiruses on my dextop!! O blimey!
2016/08/04 13:08:11
craigb
I found your private folder of Scottish wildlife to be particularly disturbing too...
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