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2016/08/07 04:03:44
craigb
Love it!!! 
2016/08/07 04:26:59
Siluroo
As someone who is going to have to have surgery on both of my feet in the near future, I have radically different opinion about the above post.  I personally are not looking forward to losing feeling in a large part if not all of both of my feet when they surgically remove the damaged nerves.  It will be a relief to be able to walk without pain though.
 
The cause of my trauma is probably a combination of genetics and the long term use of unsuitable footwear.  The footwear I have worn during my working life has been of the type required by my employers, whether it be leather soled dress shoes to match a three piece suit, or steel capped work boots at a factory, the latter which I was supplied with, I have complied with the wishes of my employers and relevant government health and safety standards.
 
I do not currently have access to pubmed at home as I am not a doctor or a currently enrolled medical student, so I cant easily pull up a long list of supporting research for my opinon.
 
Below is a link to the first page of one study I was able to quickly find on google, which should give u rough idea though
http://jbjs.org/content/76/10/1586
 
Personally I think that if an employer enforces a dress code then they should be finacially held liable in future for any medical claims that are a result/partial result of such a requirement, ie, should be sued for damages.
2016/08/07 06:24:18
jamesg1213
Siluroo
 
 
 
Personally I think that if an employer enforces a dress code then they should be finacially held liable in future for any medical claims that are a result/partial result of such a requirement, ie, should be sued for damages.




 
What if a building contractor didn't enforce the wearing of safety equipment such as steel-toed boots and hard hats? Should they be sued if someone was injured through not wearing such?
2016/08/07 08:28:13
Siluroo
jamesg1213
Siluroo
 
 
 
Personally I think that if an employer enforces a dress code then they should be finacially held liable in future for any medical claims that are a result/partial result of such a requirement, ie, should be sued for damages.




 
What if a building contractor didn't enforce the wearing of safety equipment such as steel-toed boots and hard hats? Should they be sued if someone was injured through not wearing such?


To clarify in some work places you are required to wear a certain BRAND and STYLE, as approved by management, unfortunately when it comes to humans, one size does not fit all, and foot sizing and shape are no exception.
 
In my country the qualifier is that an employer must provide a safe working environment for their employees, no matter if its a building site, shop or an office, and the appropriate level safety gear is required to be in supply and worn, it is a shared responsibility in that regard.
 
As far as I am aware, there is no requirement that the safety gear be comfortable or proper fitting in order to prevent long term harm to an employee.  The safety equipment is tested for external trauma, not trauma from extended use of ill fitting equipment.
 
To put it into a better perspective, If you wear ill fitting or badly designed shoes for long enough, you will have to see a foot doctor for some kind of issue, or just put up with the pain providing of course you live long enough.  If you were inadequate safety footwear, then you increase your risk of injury in the case of an accident which may or may not happen.  One is guaranteed cost in the future, the other a risk of a cost.
 
I do not know if you have worked in management or in government, or if you have had any training on site safety risk assessments which are in my country compulsory for all, if not the majority of work sites. You may or may not bew familiar with FREQUENCY vs PROBABILITY RISK ASSESSMENT methodology, which is the most commonly used tool for determining what level of protective clothing or other safety measures are needed in the workplaces I have been in.  I am also sure that I am not qualified to teach you if you do not.
 
What I do know from personal experience is, that if you complain about footwear being uncomfortable, you will be laughed at, told 'stop complaining and get back to work'.  You may even be told that 'it is normal, do not worry about it', or even, 'I have the same problem, you will get used to it'.  If you persist, depending on the management you have, and your relationship with them, there is a good chance you will be fired and told 'good luck elsewhere'.  These are things I have witnessed, or been part of, not imagined examples.
 
Sorry for the long answer, but you did just ask a how long is a piece of string type question.
 
If you let people where comfortable shoes that fit the safety profile of the work site
 
Anyway, I did not argue that people should not wear safety gear, I was stating that wearing a compulsory uniform can be harmful to a person, so for health reasons alone, there needs to be at least some flexibility in choice, before you get to the stage where you start having to produce medical certificates to exclude you from the company dress code, and if an employer prevents you from such a choice and you develop a problem, they should be at least partially accountable.  Someone has to pay the medical costs, either the insurance company, government, patient or employer, and in the case of the employer stating 'you must wear this', should they not be accountable?
 
 
2016/08/07 09:34:22
jamesg1213
You're really just talking about shoes, aren't you? I really cannot imagine any other 'enforced dress code' that would do you medical harm over time.
 
Here's what I'd do - if I was required by the company I work for to wear a certain type of shoe, and they supplied me shoes that hurt my feet, I'd buy myself some shoes in the same style that fitted properly. In other words, I'd take responsibility for my own well-being.
 
Anyway, that's enough imaginary scenarios for one day. I hope your surgery goes well.
 
 
2016/08/07 09:48:24
Guitarhacker
So... a bit more on the guy who didn't think a DUI arrest was an arrest that "counted".  He was supposed to be an experienced electrician. 
 
Day one.... he shows up with no tools. I asked... he lost his tools.  So I go buy him the basics to get started. I asked ... can you run EMT conduit?  Yes sir!!  OK I need a conduit from here.... across the ceiling, turn it down the wall and into a box,  there. Total of less than 40' and most of it a straight run. I even bent and installed the first piece to get him on the ceiling and the chalk line.  I left to do some other work with the instructions to come get me when you finish. It was 8am.  9am..... 9:30am...... 10am..... no helper. This should have been a 20 minute job and it was past 2 hrs.  I walked to the room, looked through the door and saw my "experienced helper"  had run ONE piece of straight conduit and it was hanging with one strap. I walked in and asked what seemed to be the holdup. he says,,,,Man this is hard.... I had to finish the run.... and it took me all of 5 minutes.
 
By the end of the day, he had managed to screw up several other things including a wire pull by not following my instructions..Pull 2 wires from here to there and four wires from there to the panel....he pulled 2 the entire way so I had to have him go back, and do the other 2 wires..... and I had to help him because once again, he took more than twice as long to pull those wires as it should have. Then he seemed to fail to grasp the simple concept of adding two more wires...... Aye Carramba!!! We were out of town, so I simply bit my tongue and had him sweeping up. I fired him when we got back to town which I came back a day early and went back the following week alone to finish the job correctly.  I fired him but the state had also sent me a letter requiring me to fire him.....PLUS.... the social services office sent a letter requiring me to pay them directly a part of his weekly paycheck for child support.... By the time I deducted all that and the tools, he ended up with a few dollars total.

After that, I never hired another guy to assist me again. The guy before him was pretty good and was a good helper but liked to take a few days off now and then and finally he just didn't show up. He was actually learning to do the advanced stuff like the final wiring of the systems at the doors and doing it correctly and with perfect alignment on the hardware.
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