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  • X2's horrible new automation
2013/04/03 16:01:58
soundsubs
argh.
I have been "mixing" a song of mine for the last several days in X2a. I had not noticed this before today. Its always worked fine for me way back to v6 or more.
I have 10 audio tracks, with individual envelopes on each for volume automation (and that's all)
im seeing that when I hit play, the volume+ indicators in the track section aren't moving. they used to move up/down with respect to where the volume automation envelopes were. but they aren't moving. they are just sitting there. I can see/hear that the volume of the tracks is changing, but the marker on the left isn't moving. annoying.
 
even further, im finding that some of my envelopes aren't changing the volume some of the time, with no respect to where the track is.
 
anyone else notice this?
how do upgrades keep breaking basic functionality like this??
2013/04/03 16:22:37
scotteh
Sorry this wont be much help but I had that problem once too, I think in X1 or v.7. It wasn't from an upgrade though.

I was typing a track name and looking down at the keyboard. When I looked up it saw that the cursor had for some reason jumped out of that field, so every letter I typed was a key command. I didn't see any changes at first and did a bunch of work before I noticed. 

(rant: I REALLY dislike that the cursor leaves the selected track name field without hitting enter or clicking somewhere. When you are using the arrow keys to move the cursor back to the first letter it is very easy to go past it and suddenly you're out of the field! Then you have to click back in there again!)

Well, a LOT of things were changed!! And all the envelopes got disconnected from the controls just like you are describing. I couldn't find any help for that strange problem and was never able to salvage that file. I think I ended up selecting all audio clips, copying and pasting them all into a new project. Something like that. 

So I would also like to know the answer to this!

Scott
2013/04/03 16:41:16
brconflict
If you're referring to the faders, when doing Volume Automation, the volume faders definitely should move. You might double-check to see that the Automation is for the Whole Track vs. a Take Lane. That could make a difference. Any envelopes created for a Take Lane may not be reflected in the Track's fader. 

I'm not in front of my DAW, so I can't validate if you can even do Volume Automation on a Take Lane. 
2013/04/03 17:21:45
Guitarpima
I see this once and a while. I think it's mostly because I forget the automation is there and make an adjustment. Usually a restart sorts it out. It may be a pain but try copying the envelope, paste it in another track, delete the original and paste it back. It seems crazy but It may work.
2013/04/03 18:53:08
don4777
soundsubs


argh.
I have been "mixing" a song of mine for the last several days in X2a. I had not noticed this before today. Its always worked fine for me way back to v6 or more.
I have 10 audio tracks, with individual envelopes on each for volume automation (and that's all)
im seeing that when I hit play, the volume+ indicators in the track section aren't moving. they used to move up/down with respect to where the volume automation envelopes were. but they aren't moving. they are just sitting there. I can see/hear that the volume of the tracks is changing, but the marker on the left isn't moving. annoying.
 
even further, im finding that some of my envelopes aren't changing the volume some of the time, with no respect to where the track is.
 
anyone else notice this?
how do upgrades keep breaking basic functionality like this??

You say "the volume+ indicators".  Are you by any chance in Offset mode?  You can enter/exit this mode with the hot key "O" - that's the LETTER Oh.  In Offset mode the automation won't move the faders or pans, etc.  They can be used to adjust the entire Automation envelope by whatever adjustment you make to the fader/pan.
2013/04/03 19:06:54
chuckebaby
that's exactly whats happening, your in offset mode.
2013/04/03 19:12:00
jb101
I'm with don4777 here, it sounds like you're in Offset mode.
 
Press "O" on your "QWERTY" keyboard to exit Offset, and try it again.
 
Do you use the hotkey for the inspector ("I"), or preferences ("P"), or loop ("L"), or mute clip ("K"), as it's very easy to hit "O" by mistake, if you do?
2013/04/03 19:37:36
brconflict
Could be. Does anybody use Offset? I have yet to understand what it does, exactly. I assume it allows me to bring up a guitar after it has been automated, perhaps, but Cakewalk's description isn't clear to me.
2013/04/03 19:49:34
brconflict
Ok, I just watched the video on that mode. I can see where others might find it useful. 
2013/04/03 20:00:30
chuckebaby
brconflict


Could be. Does anybody use Offset? I have yet to understand what it does, exactly. I assume it allows me to bring up a guitar after it has been automated, perhaps, but Cakewalk's description isn't clear to me.

it can be useful for something, the problem lays were its easily hit by hitting the "O" key on your keyboard.
so one has no idea they're in offset mode, which really stinks, because you can drive yourself up a wall trying to figure it out. lol
or even worse, embarrass yourself by posting here in the forum that sonars new automation features are junk when in reality it is an operator error  :) lol
 
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