Or when you tell people to press the PDC button when they're using a latency inducing plug-in, or tell them that they're posting in the wrong forum when they're replying to a sticky in that forum. :)
 
How embarrassing..

it can be useful for something, the problem lays were its easily hit by hitting the "O" key on your keyboard. so one has no idea they're in offset mode, which really stinks, because you can drive yourself up a wall trying to figure it out. lol

 
I use Offset mode fairly often to make overall adjustments to controls that already have envelopes - I find it faster (and less tedious) than grabbing every node and moving the envelope.   As far as knowing when you're in Offset mode, there's the "+" on track controls and an indicator in the Control Bar as well (new to X2 I think).
 

I believe that Offset Mode would be more useful if:

1. Offset Mode could be set per track rather than for the whole project.

2. The Offset Mode flag is something much more prominent than the little "+" sign.

stevec

it can be useful for something, the problem lays were its easily hit by hitting the "O" key on your keyboard. so one has no idea they're in offset mode, which really stinks, because you can drive yourself up a wall trying to figure it out. lol

 
I use Offset mode fairly often to make overall adjustments to controls that already have envelopes - I find it faster (and less tedious) than grabbing every node and moving the envelope.   As far as knowing when you're in Offset mode, there's the "+" on track controls and an indicator in the Control Bar as well (new to X2 I think).
 

Steve - click drag in the top third of the track with no nodes selected moves the whole envelope in one go. Having said that offset works too especially well with a control surface. I can't always be bothered to reach for a mouse.

jb101


Or when you tell people to press the PDC button when they're using a latency inducing plug-in, or tell them that they're posting in the wrong forum when they're replying to a sticky in that forum. :)
 
How embarrassing..

that's funny JB 
   
you pointing out my mistakes make you feel any better ? 
 
see my comment was being honest, that's got to be embarrassing, it had to do with this thread and the op
your comment was malice, trying to point out my mistakes in order to make me feel humiliated and it had nothing to do with this thread or this issue. 
now why would you bring up my mistake from a month ago when it had nothing to do with the subject here ? ? ?
 
that would be like for example: I went to another thread on this forum and mentioned that; the other day someone told a user he couldn't move midi notes to another layer,
even going as far as telling him this was "normal behavior" and "he" even admitted he was wrong. 
see maybe the difference here is by me suggesting, turning off PDC might help, it was a suggestion. but "this other persons" mistake almost stopped a user in his tracks from searching for a solution.
imagine if he took "that persons" advice?
shall we analyze now which mistake is more embarrassing ? no we shouldn't.
because we should be sticking to the subject of this thread don't you agree? 
 
I will now politely bow out of this thread but I hope you think about your comment, it had nothing to do with the subject and was a personal attempt to humiliate me.
the only problem with that is you failed to realize you make mistakes too.  

 

wow.
O was the trick, and yes, I was in offset mode. so my mistake! BUT STILL THIS SHOULD BE MORE OBVIOUS!
don't get me wrong, im all for improvements, but not at the expense of every day usage models.
something else I hate about this is that even though snap is set, zooming in shows that snap ISNT actually happening. drives me crazy, especially on drum tracks where I think im bringing up the levels but im actually ramping off a kick...

I forgot to mention that I LIKE the idea that now when you move a point it shows you two numbers: where you are and where you've come from.
like "-0.5dB  +3.2dB"... first I've noted this.

Post Script: I cannot repeat enough how much I HATE HATE HATE that the envelopes rest on top of the clips and you have to change views to adjust/see them.

just sayin.

I could go on a rampage, myself. There's so much wrong with Take Lanes and Automation in X2 I nearly pop a vessel in my head thinking about all the gripes I have. I will say this, though, Gain automation, albeit can't be seen in Automation lanes I don't believe, has actually improved. 'Tis the only thing I automate now, since the rest of my experience there sort of dove straight into an 8th-grade bug-collection. Good ideas, but I'm quite unhappy with how Automation/Take Lanes were deployed. 

soundsubs


wow.
O was the trick, and yes, I was in offset mode. so my mistake! BUT STILL THIS SHOULD BE MORE OBVIOUS!
 

In X2 it is more obvious than ever before. There's an indicator in the mix module. All previous versions have only had the + sign beside volume and pan controls.

Its becoming a bit thick with the pronouncements about automation in X2.

Judging by the threads on this subject all of the problems are due to user error. No one has found a true bug or inability yet we get threads saying how horrible automation is.

In my view Sonar's automation has never been better or more user friendly. You have the ability to have it superimposed over the waveform or in its own lane and one can switch between views. Writing automation has never been simpler. Also editing it is now a simple thing to do. 

It seems to me that those that are complaining about it need to watch videos on it and read the manual about it before coming into the forum and making statements that are wrong. Even the the title of this thread should be changed because the OP had it wrong. 

For me it's never been better or more capable. The bugs that many reported in the past are gone. We now have 3 modes to use.

I believe that people need to stop thinking they are using Sonar 8.5 and except that X2 is a very different version. Stop trying to do things as you did in that old version and I believe your time with X2 will be far better.