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2010/10/20 14:23:51
Cactus Music
Jazzsinger, Which OS are you using and which driver version?
I have the us1641 and found the only drivers that did not crash were the originals that came on disk 1.0. All others crashed Sonar.
I wrote to Tascam support and they replied that version 1 is all you need for XP32 bit. Later versions however support both 64 bit and W7. I'm interested to find someone who is using these successfully before I upgrade my OS.
2010/10/20 17:09:04
LJB
Well, my RME HDSP 9652 just took one sniff at ASIO4ALL, saw the Yamaha i88's plugged into the FW port, and said "Nein, ich bin ein soloist!" or something to that effect! Never got it to work with THAT setup! :O)
2010/10/21 05:25:36
wormser
CJaysMusic


Yea, its the Hail Marry of sound card drivers. When all else fails, try ASIO4all.
Cj


LMAO...
Good one!

One thing I don't understand is, if people are paying $300+ for Sonar, Cubase, whatever, they should be at least well seasoned prosumer type users and more than likely professionals at some level.

So why would these same people want to use a $99.00 Soundblaster or some on board audio chipset instead of a dedicated professional or semi-professional audio card which will include proper low latency drivers?

It doesn't make sense to me.

It's like buying a BMW and then putting the cheapest tires Sears makes on it.

Clue me in because I just don't get it ?



2010/10/21 05:48:33
thomasabarnes
Well, my RME HDSP 9652

 
Man, you shouldn't need to use ASIO4All with a RME audio interface! Users here who use RME products attest that RME has excellent support with updated ASIO driver releases which makes RME audio interfaces capable of stable low latency performance.
 
You probably need to ask some questions here, so you can get your RME product working as well as other RME product users here.
2010/10/21 06:11:43
JazzSinger
Cactus Music


Jazzsinger, Which OS are you using and which driver version?
I have the us1641 and found the only drivers that did not crash were the originals that came on disk 1.0. All others crashed Sonar.
I wrote to Tascam support and they replied that version 1 is all you need for XP32 bit. Later versions however support both 64 bit and W7. I'm interested to find someone who is using these successfully before I upgrade my OS.
WinXP32SP3, driver version 2.00 (the latest 32 bit one).
 
Only the originals do not crash?!? That is useful information!
I cannot recall if I had problems with the originals.
Whenever Tascam posted new drivers, I dutifully installed them.
 
OK, I'll try that. Original CD-supplied drivers only.
 
Many thanks!
 
PS: Just fyi, the crash happens when starting or stopping recording.
Everything freezes; keyboard, mouse, everything.
 
Only possibility left is switching the PC off at the switch and restarting.
 
Happens unpredictably. I can have an evening with no problems, other
evenings two, three times it hangs.
 
At first I blamed my PC. Then I got a new laptop, and I had the same issues!
But on my laptop, I downloaded and installed the 2.00 drivers direct.
Must try from the CD.
 
Apart from that, this is an incredible interface. I do entire bands, live, everything
including entire drumkit miked. 8 microphone ins, 2 for DI bass or keys, and
on the 4 line ins I have two little Mackie mixers, so I really have 12 microphone ins.
Great!
2010/10/21 11:42:35
Storm
Cj's response is one of the best ever here. Well said. :) It made me howl.
2010/10/21 12:55:21
EddieZilker
CJaysMusic


Yea, its the Hail Marry of sound card drivers. When all else fails, try ASIO4all.
Cj


Sig Worthy!
2010/10/21 13:03:51
Beagle
bitflipper


I have a laptop with a crapola soundcard that I run SONAR on when traveling. The only way I could get it to work was by using ASIO4All. So A4A is not useless. But for any serious audio workstation with a serious audio interface it's quite superfluous. You wouldn't know this by some of the glowing reviews I've read online, which often attribute A4A with impossible capabilities such as reducing latency.

dave - not trying to say you're wrong, but I help a lot of people in the lower forums, Home Studio and Music Creator (that's why I have such a high post count but don' show up in the sonar forum very often).  I've helped a lot of people who cannot get their onboard soundcard to work in WDM driver mode, but can get it to work using ASIO4ALL.  I don't know enough about the code in ASIO4ALL to know why this works since it's simply supposed to be a WDM wrapper, but I've seen it numerous times.
 
so my point is that ASIO4ALL can reduce latency because with these people their choice is either MME driver mode or ASIO driver mode using ASIO4ALL.  since MME is going to be worse latency than WDM or ASIO then it follows that using ASIO4ALL can reduce latency.
2010/10/21 13:20:55
FastBikerBoy
Beagle


bitflipper


I have a laptop with a crapola soundcard that I run SONAR on when traveling. The only way I could get it to work was by using ASIO4All. So A4A is not useless. But for any serious audio workstation with a serious audio interface it's quite superfluous. You wouldn't know this by some of the glowing reviews I've read online, which often attribute A4A with impossible capabilities such as reducing latency.

dave - not trying to say you're wrong, but I help a lot of people in the lower forums, Home Studio and Music Creator (that's why I have such a high post count but don' show up in the sonar forum very often).  I've helped a lot of people who cannot get their onboard soundcard to work in WDM driver mode, but can get it to work using ASIO4ALL.  I don't know enough about the code in ASIO4ALL to know why this works since it's simply supposed to be a WDM wrapper, but I've seen it numerous times.
 
so my point is that ASIO4ALL can reduce latency because with these people their choice is either MME driver mode or ASIO driver mode using ASIO4ALL.  since MME is going to be worse latency than WDM or ASIO then it follows that using ASIO4ALL can reduce latency.


As I said earlier I used to use ASIO4ALL with an Alesis Multimix and I always achieved lower stable latency times than I could with either choice of the Alesis drivers. I know it doesn't make sense but I can only report what I found.

I did see it mentioned once that ASIO4ALL was warping the figures somehow to make it look good, maybe it was I don't know. It was definitely more stable though than the Alesis XP drivers. The Alesis Windows 7 x64 driver was a huge improvement though so when I upgraded OS ASIO4ALL went.
2010/10/21 15:23:07
bitflipper

so my point is that ASIO4ALL can reduce latency because with these people their choice is either MME driver mode or ASIO driver mode using ASIO4ALL. since MME is going to be worse latency than WDM or ASIO then it follows that using ASIO4ALL can reduce latency.

Good point, Beagle. It was the same situation for me: my only alternative on my laptop was MME. So yes, ASIO4All on top of WDM is going to be more efficient than MME.

Of course, this doesn't apply to the OP, who has a working WDM driver. For him, losing ASIO4All will have no negative consequences and will actually reduce overhead a little. In the future, I will modify my ASIO4All opinions to append the caveat that ASIO4All can indeed reduce latency - if your only alternative is MME.
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