ASIO4ALL enables me to use my Acer AS1410 at low enough latency with the built-in sound to use it for live gigs as a sound source! The difference over the stock drivers is astounding. It actually works better than for instance an MBox......

R

Great I hope that using the original drivers works for you too. Tascam did not even attach any release notes to those new  drivers so it's not clear what bugs,if any, they fixed. I beleieve the new drivers are strictly for the newer OS.  I tried all the newer versions trying to get better RTL and all of them crashed Sonar. I tried on 2 different computers with same results.

There is a thread down in the Hardware d g the Tascam us1641. Interesting test results reguarding round trip latency.

http://forum.cakewalk.com/tm.aspx?m=2090754

wormser

CJaysMusic


Yea, its the Hail Marry of sound card drivers. When all else fails, try ASIO4all.
Cj

LMAO...
Good one!

One thing I don't understand is, if people are paying $300+ for Sonar, Cubase, whatever, they should be at least well seasoned prosumer type users and more than likely professionals at some level.

So why would these same people want to use a $99.00 Soundblaster or some on board audio chipset instead of a dedicated professional or semi-professional audio card which will include proper low latency drivers?

It doesn't make sense to me.

It's like buying a BMW and then putting the cheapest tires Sears makes on it.

Clue me in because I just don't get it ?

Well it may be pointless to attempt to clue you in as there are several reasons that have been given why it's useful in certain circumstances already.  Just re-read the thread from outside the smug bubble you and a coupla others seem to be in.

And incidentally when you buy a BMW, trust me the tyres are included.

Perhaps you could clue me in as to why it is desirable to spend more money on gear than you actually make with said gear.  I don't know that's true of you but it does seem a strangely fashionable attitude among many so called 'pros'.

To the OP though, certainly there's no need to use it if your native drivers perform better.

I will modify my ASIO4All opinions to append the caveat that ASIO4All can indeed reduce latency - if your only alternative is MME.

Or indeed if the app used needs an ASIO output and again if the WDM drivers don't play nice without being thusly wrapped. Which are two other situations where I've ended up using it as a 'get out of jail' type emergency measure.

I'm not sure where the hail Mary comes in but A4A can be a handy paddle when you are up that infamous creek and the sleek and all powerful V12 engine has given up on you.

Thanks everyone - also for the additional postings around bitflipper's subtopic.

Cactus, most versions are available in 32 and 64 bit versions, each having different sizes. Only 2.01 is 64 bit only. Only 1.00 is 32 bit only.

Release notes only went up to 1.03, as you point out.

I just re-read some.

For example, the release notes for 1.02 mentions improving latency on windows. I wanted that.

They also mention fixing an issue where "some machines develop periodic noise after more than 1 hour", indicative of a memory leak. I didn't want that!

So I always felt getting the latest is the right thing to do.

Anyway: I shall re-install the original 1.0 drivers this weekend. Trouble is, I'll only really know they're stable during a session or two, so that'll be Thursday.

If I have a failure, I shall go back to WDM.

Here's the link to drivers:
http://tascam.com/product/us-1641/downloads/

There are audio drivers AND firmware updates!

I am waiting for the first user reports of the Roland Octa-Capture. Depending on price drops, ease of use and reliability, I shall start saving for two (they supposedly can be used in pairs, giving 16 XLR-Ins.)

Roland have a brochure for the OCTA-CAPTURE. Last page has system requirements.

"To use two OCTA-CAPTUREs, Intel Core 2 Processor/2GHz or higher and built-in 7200 rpm or faster hard drive are required."

To compare: I do audio-capture recording of all 14 channels at 44k1/24bit with the Tascam US-1641 connected to a humble Samsung NC20 Netbook with an Atom processor!

Someone is going to ask why. Because it's whisper-quiet.

OK, I guess I can forget the two Roland O-C idea.

Jonbouy

wormser

CJaysMusic


Yea, its the Hail Marry of sound card drivers. When all else fails, try ASIO4all.
Cj

LMAO...
Good one!

One thing I don't understand is, if people are paying $300+ for Sonar, Cubase, whatever, they should be at least well seasoned prosumer type users and more than likely professionals at some level.

So why would these same people want to use a $99.00 Soundblaster or some on board audio chipset instead of a dedicated professional or semi-professional audio card which will include proper low latency drivers?

It doesn't make sense to me.

It's like buying a BMW and then putting the cheapest tires Sears makes on it.

Clue me in because I just don't get it ?

Well it may be pointless to attempt to clue you in as there are several reasons that have been given why it's useful in certain circumstances already.  Just re-read the thread from outside the smug bubble you and a coupla others seem to be in.

And incidentally when you buy a BMW, trust me the tyres are included.

Perhaps you could clue me in as to why it is desirable to spend more money on gear than you actually make with said gear.  I don't know that's true of you but it does seem a strangely fashionable attitude among many so called 'pros'.

To the OP though, certainly there's no need to use it if your native drivers perform better.

Like I said, why buy a cheap sound card without the proper drivers when you just spent $300 + on a software program?
As for my BMW comment, you'll have to replace those "tyres" at some point.

As for making money with your gear, you just spent $300 + on software so it's assumed you are interested in professional results so why have an audio card that doesn't have professional, dedicated, low latency drivers?
You can get an M-Audio card with ASIO/WDM drivers for not much more than a SoundBlaster.

Sorry, but I just don't get it.

But hey, if ASIO4All works for you, go get em' tiger.

Like I said, why buy a cheap sound card without the proper drivers when you just spent $300 + on a software program? -wormser

There are situations where you would use your on board sound card.
You can install Sonar on 2 computers.
 So you have a nice Home studio set up with a Rack mounted Firewire/USB interface. It's bulky and a pain to remove.
You also have a laptop and you are going to be stuck in a hotel room or ( insert boring situation here)  with 6 hours of time to kill.
Grab a set of headphones and spend some time working on some editing and mixes. You don't need your interface for doing this.

Of course we also know the other reality of why someone has $400 software but no money for an interface, we won't go there.

johnnyV


Like I said, why buy a cheap sound card without the proper drivers when you just spent $300 + on a software program? -wormser

There are situations where you would use your on board sound card.
You can install Sonar on 2 computers.
So you have a nice Home studio set up with a Rack mounted Firewire/USB interface. It's bulky and a pain to remove.
You also have a laptop and you are going to be stuck in a hotel room or ( insert boring situation here)  with 6 hours of time to kill.
Grab a set of headphones and spend some time working on some editing and mixes. You don't need your interface for doing this.

Of course we also know the other reality of why someone has $400 software but no money for an interface, we won't go there.

Not to mention the 'expensive' interface you've just bought, only to find out that the drivers are crap..............

johnnyV


Like I said, why buy a cheap sound card without the proper drivers when you just spent $300 + on a software program? -wormser

There are situations where you would use your on board sound card.
You can install Sonar on 2 computers.
So you have a nice Home studio set up with a Rack mounted Firewire/USB interface. It's bulky and a pain to remove.
You also have a laptop and you are going to be stuck in a hotel room or ( insert boring situation here)  with 6 hours of time to kill.
Grab a set of headphones and spend some time working on some editing and mixes. You don't need your interface for doing this.

Of course we also know the other reality of why someone has $400 software but no money for an interface, we won't go there.

I suppose some would do it like that.
Maybe I'm different, but for me I check out the interface I'm considering, ESPECIALLY the drivers.

A quick look on the manufacturer's website, or forums like this are all it takes to quickly come up with a short list.

My point is if you spend $300 on software and then have an interface that has crappy drivers and you decide to use ASIO4ALL and it doesn't give you the performance you need, it's your own fault.

If it works, then by all means use it.
I'm referring specifically to the people for which it doesn't give good performance and then who come here and other places and complain about it.