2016/07/26 16:45:32
eph221
Moshkito
craigb
How did Pedro turn this topic into psychic's and boxing??? 




Because you did not read it? 


Vote for Pedro!
2016/07/26 23:58:51
Danny Danzi
jamesg1213
Haven't played in front of an audience for a long time now. I used to gig regularly back in the '90's with a rock/blues band, and I was always terrified right before the show, to the point of vomiting sometimes. When the end of the set came I wanted to keep on playing though, the adrenalin buzz always took over.




That's me to a T! I'm so nervous until that first chord rings out, then I want the feeling to last forever. I have learned to use the nervous feeling as a weapon. It goes like this....
 
It's a gift to be able to play an instrument let alone entertain people. Some will never get that chance and wish they did. So what if you tank? There are a million people doing it that are worse than you. Go into it well rehearsed and prepared and play like its your last day alive. What's there to be scared of? Enjoy the gift as well as the opportunity. :)
2016/07/27 11:12:25
Moshkito
jamesg1213
 
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Pedro, how did you get Craig's log-in?
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It's just weird for me to be reading this stuff. Working as a director for a long time, the one thing that one comes across all the time is the stage fright thing, and the other bit is the "lock ups" by actors who all of a sudden can not remember their lines or what they are doing. 
 
In music, it might not be that far, or different, at all. My thoughts have always been that the exercises and work that is done in rehearsal, is the difference, not the performance itself. 
 
If you, in my book, are having issues going onstage, you are not rehearsed enough, or properly, and the thought, usually is (by theater folks) that you are in the wrong place, or you would work harder on making sure that you are prepared and ready for the performance, which is what the whole things is about. AND, above all, there is no chance for a "warm-up" once the show starts, and you do not want to lose the audience within 5 minutes, because it is poring and perfunctory, and not exciting! Start with a good bang, and get it better, or the show will suffer!
 
This is a "private" observation, by myself, over the years. Most of the people that were having issues with stage anything, were people that probably should not be there, for various reasons, and usually, their desire is bigger than their libido, so to speak. And thinking they can manufacture that desire after a few this and that! 
 
Staging, be it music or theater, or film, is not as much about desire, as it is about how you apply yourself to the work you are doing. If you do not believe in it 1000%, it is not going to be as good, and this is an issue with many bar bands. You can tell the players that are good and bad, within 3 minutes, or one song!
 
As I like to say, give yourself a chance, and be ready. This does not mean you know your stuff, but also know the other stuff, like what the other musicians are doing, so you can work together with them and help cover/recover and hide the small errors here and there, and smooth out those moments into oblivion -- something that an audience, often does not see, specially in original music. If you are worried about yourself, and some physical this and that, GET HELP, because that stuff is eating away a large part of your ability, even if it goes away after 5 minutes ... those first 5 minutes will blow your ability when it comes to many previews, and chances to impress so be able to get a better piece of work, or even (at worst) to become a much needed and prepared musician all over town to cover everything from A to Z.
 
I think that most folks know their part well (no issue there!), but how well do you know how you blend with the other folks? I'm willing to bet that most issues are in this part, not what you already know.
2016/07/27 16:08:14
eph221
Moshkito
jamesg1213
 
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Pedro, how did you get Craig's log-in?
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It's just weird for me to be reading this stuff. Working as a director for a long time, the one thing that one comes across all the time is the stage fright thing, and the other bit is the "lock ups" by actors who all of a sudden can not remember their lines or what they are doing. 
 
In music, it might not be that far, or different, at all. My thoughts have always been that the exercises and work that is done in rehearsal, is the difference, not the performance itself. 
 
If you, in my book, are having issues going onstage, you are not rehearsed enough, or properly, and the thought, usually is (by theater folks) that you are in the wrong place, or you would work harder on making sure that you are prepared and ready for the performance, which is what the whole things is about. AND, above all, there is no chance for a "warm-up" once the show starts, and you do not want to lose the audience within 5 minutes, because it is poring and perfunctory, and not exciting! Start with a good bang, and get it better, or the show will suffer!
 
This is a "private" observation, by myself, over the years. Most of the people that were having issues with stage anything, were people that probably should not be there, for various reasons, and usually, their desire is bigger than their libido, so to speak. And thinking they can manufacture that desire after a few this and that! 
 
Staging, be it music or theater, or film, is not as much about desire, as it is about how you apply yourself to the work you are doing. If you do not believe in it 1000%, it is not going to be as good, and this is an issue with many bar bands. You can tell the players that are good and bad, within 3 minutes, or one song!
 
As I like to say, give yourself a chance, and be ready. This does not mean you know your stuff, but also know the other stuff, like what the other musicians are doing, so you can work together with them and help cover/recover and hide the small errors here and there, and smooth out those moments into oblivion -- something that an audience, often does not see, specially in original music. If you are worried about yourself, and some physical this and that, GET HELP, because that stuff is eating away a large part of your ability, even if it goes away after 5 minutes ... those first 5 minutes will blow your ability when it comes to many previews, and chances to impress so be able to get a better piece of work, or even (at worst) to become a much needed and prepared musician all over town to cover everything from A to Z.
 
I think that most folks know their part well (no issue there!), but how well do you know how you blend with the other folks? I'm willing to bet that most issues are in this part, not what you already know.


I disagree.  If only by the true observation that those who have struggled and succeeded are generally thought to be the most talented.  Extroverts  make bad actors and musicians IMHO, and that's what we're discussing here:  extroversion versus introversion.  If you're having issues work through them.  There's often a relationship  between your talent and your fear of sharing it with others.  I'm 52 and have been around all sorts of *them*, the *its* this is definitely a truism. :D:D  I mean sure the director wants you to be a *team player*.  But what gigs do they get?  They get the jobs in the chorus.  Keep working on your art and don't let the p-nut's get you down!  OTOH I'll do anything for money.  No job too small for this p-nut!
2016/07/27 16:51:17
Beagle
eph221
I disagree.  If only by the true observation that those who have struggled and succeeded are generally thought to be the most talented.  Extroverts  make bad actors and musicians IMHO, and that's what we're discussing here:  extroversion versus introversion.  If you're having issues work through them.  There's often a relationship  between your talent and your fear of sharing it with others.  I'm 52 and have been around all sorts of *them*, the *its* this is definitely a truism. :D:D  I mean sure the director wants you to be a *team player*.  But what gigs do they get?  They get the jobs in the chorus.  Keep working on your art and don't let the p-nut's get you down!  OTOH I'll do anything for money.  No job too small for this p-nut!




All "extroverts" are bad actors and musicians?  that's a pretty broad generalism (and very narrow minded).
 
Good actors and good musicians are those who:
1) have at least a basic talent
2) practice that talent
3) have a consistent desire to improve

there is absolutely no generality regarding personality type which dictates "good" or "bad" musician.  there are all types of each in each personality type.
2016/07/27 21:35:41
eph221
Where did I say ALL?! :D  Also, I just said it was my opinion.  Take it or leave it!
2016/07/27 23:45:56
craigb
All people who post in forums are weird.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

2016/07/28 00:07:53
eph221
craigb
All people who post in forums are weird.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 



Now that's for feckin sure! :D:D  But..the fear of success and the fear of failure are two sides of the same coin for the perfectionist.  I don't agree with moshkito.  So there!
2016/07/28 08:02:38
Jeff Evans
The subconscious mind does understand negatives.  In fact if you give your subconscious mind negative information it will do its best to make that a reality.  If a negative is used the right way eg you won't suffer stage fright then that message will also still get through.  The most powerful thing you can do is visualise you doing the gig with real confidence and no sign of stage fright in sight and also feel what that is like.  Words are a great start but visualistion and feelings are way more powerful.
 
The real issue with the subconscious mind is the fact it believes everything you tell it and it never questions anything. That is the real danger.  If you see something you would really love to buy and you say to yourself there is no way I can ever buy that then the subconscious mind simply believes it and will do everything in its power to make that happen.
 
What the subconscious mind also has a problem with is when you are joking.  If you say to yourself in a joking manner I will never be able to do that or I can't pay my rent this month then it will simply believe it and also do everything in its power to make it happen.
 
Most people are sending the wrong messages to their subconscious minds.  For all the facts read the book 'The Power of your Subconscious Mind' by Joseph Murphy.  It's all in there.
 
Kenny has put it very nicely.  A little butterflies before an important gig is very good and healthy and can keep you in check.  Just don't let it ruin the gig though.  As Danny also nicely put it, get out there and really enjoy it.  Once you start, it should be all good from that moment on.
 
 
2016/07/28 08:39:19
craigb
Jeff Evans
The subconscious mind does understand negatives.  In fact if you give your subconscious mind negative information it will do its best to make that a reality.  If a negative is used the right way eg you won't suffer stage fright then that message will also still get through.  The most powerful thing you can do is visualise you doing the gig with real confidence and no sign of stage fright in sight and also feel what that is like.  Words are a great start but visualistion and feelings are way more powerful.
 
The real issue with the subconscious mind is the fact it believes everything you tell it and it never questions anything. That is the real danger.  If you see something you would really love to buy and you say to yourself there is no way I can ever buy that then the subconscious mind simply believes it and will do everything in its power to make that happen.
 
What the subconscious mind also has a problem with is when you are joking.  If you say to yourself in a joking manner I will never be able to do that or I can't pay my rent this month then it will simply believe it and also do everything in its power to make it happen.
 
Most people are sending the wrong messages to their subconscious minds.  For all the facts read the book 'The Power of your Subconscious Mind' by Joseph Murphy.  It's all in there.
 
Kenny has put it very nicely.  A little butterflies before an important gig is very good and healthy and can keep you in check.  Just don't let it ruin the gig though.  As Danny also nicely put it, get out there and really enjoy it.  Once you start, it should be all good from that moment on.

 
[Edit]I had a long statement here, but am removing it to keep things on target.  I'll just note that the book referenced above by Dr. Murphy was written in 1962 and there are many, many books on the subject (some much more recent).
 
I did note that visualizing and using your emotions were even more important than affirmations in my first reply:
 
craigb
Note that suggestions and affirmations have very little effect when the conscious mind is aware and filtering. This is the purpose behind a hypnotic induction which helps put you in a suggestible state of trance to bypass the conscious mind (also note that all hypnosis is self-hypnosis, a hypnotist merely helps guide someone to the correct trance level). That said, your comments about visualizing it, really believing it and feeling it before hand are very important. You can't anchor things very well without emotion. Visualize it (notice your surroundings, people involved, colors, etc. then turn up the power on all of it - brighter colors, more defined images and so on). Hear all the sounds, smell all the smells and feel everything you can - the more intense the better!

An additional technique is to stand behind yourself on stage and see yourself being exactly what you want to be. Say all your suggestions and affirmations as well as experiencing all the other senses intensely (as described above), then step into the image of yourself and BE that person.

 
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