2016/07/28 09:13:22
Moshkito
eph221
Moshkito
craigb
How did Pedro turn this topic into psychic's and boxing??? 




Because you did not read it? 


Vote for Pedro!




One of the weirdest things ... I never have seen that movie, and don't even know which movie it is!
2016/07/28 09:24:02
Moshkito
Beagle
 
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All "extroverts" are bad actors and musicians?  that's a pretty broad generalism (and very narrow minded).
 
Good actors and good musicians are those who:
1) have at least a basic talent
2) practice that talent
3) have a consistent desire to improve

there is absolutely no generality regarding personality type which dictates "good" or "bad" musician.  there are all types of each in each personality type.




Thanks. 
 
I'm not sure that "talent" is even a requirement. I was given to work with newer folks, that did not even know if they had talent, but the ability was always there. The question is, like anything else in life, how you apply yourself, and study what you are doing. Some are better students than others.
 
As an example, DA was new to the stage, but had done a few small things here and there. When we got together, we were able to work out some neat stuff in rehearsal, up to and including psychic stuff, where you knew where the other "character" was thinking and what would happen next and was always ready for it. The end result, of an exceptional performance, which even a Professor of mine applauded my ability to get so much out of the actors, was that he was immediately chosen to play Iago, in the upcoming Willie runs. And DA, being the studious person that he was, had all the lines down in 3 weeks (that's insane, mind you ... over 600 lines of dialogue!), and then spent the next 3 weeks in rehearsal with hockey and football outfits bullying people around during the rehearsal, which immediately gave him an incredible edge ... and of course, he stole the show. A close friend of mine, after the performance when we met DA, even said ... wow, he's so soft spoken ... but it should tell you what preparation and desire to learn more about your part, can take you.
 
You take that to a music stage, and that person, will blow out the audience so fast, it won't be funny, but music rehearsals, are too much about the notes, not the performance, and this takes away a vital 3rd dimension in the performance, and in my book, this is the part that scares folks, because they do not know how to "get into it", enough, to allow it to live on "its own" ... which is so important and memorable in music in a handful of moments! IT'S NOT ALWAYS IN OUR EYES AND HEADS! IT'S ALSO IN THE PERFORMERS!
 
Reminds me of a set of words in MEATLOAF's book (fun reading and worth it!), and he says, that he's an actor that sings. And if he can't get into it, the song doesn't work! And this is the important part of it all ... you have to learn how to get into "character", and not be afraid of it.
 
Music is no different! 
2016/07/28 14:54:31
Slugbaby
A little late to the game, but this might help some others with stage fright.
 
I used to have debilitating anxiety when going onstage.  I really had to focus to get my fingers to the right frets, I couldn't be the one to start a song as my timing was competing with my insane heart rate, sweats, etc...
 
A bandmate saw me shaking before a show once and asked me these simple questions.
1.  Have you rehearsed enough to know what you need to play?  (yes)
2.  Do you trust that the rest of the band has rehearsed enough to know what they need to play?  (yes)
3.  Do you sound good? (yes)
4.  Do you look good?  (yes)
"After answering those 4 questions, you should be comfortable.  You're presenting exactly what you intend to. What the audience is thinking is irrelevant as long as YOU have yourself covered."
 
I've never had a lack of self-confidence (that i was aware of), but this cured me instantly and permanently.  If medicating yourself is what you need, then go for it.  But for those of us that don't get to that extreme, hopefully this can help.
 
I also read something decades ago that stuck with me that covered Question 1.  Sitting alone with no instrument, music, or distractions, mentally play every note of every song in the set.  When you can do that, you're ready.
 
2016/07/28 15:04:09
jamesg1213
I was OK until question 4....unless 'looks like he's been set on fire and put out with an axe' is acceptable...
2016/07/28 15:11:04
Slugbaby
jamesg1213
I was OK until question 4....unless 'looks like he's been set on fire and put out with an axe' is acceptable...




Lol, i was going to add (well, yes TO ME.  everyone else thinks i look weird).
2016/07/28 15:29:23
Jeff Evans
Rehearsals don't have to be about the notes at all.  That is practice.  On your own.  Rehearsals can be totally about the performance itself with all the nuances and detail and emotion.  I have witnessed some nice music being played in rehearsal.  And thinking wow, pity no one else heard that.
 
I think the trick  is what Danny is saying too.  Once you really start to get into it, you start to feel good, and excited, not scared anymore.  Then your playing can go through the roof.
 
On the other side of the subconscious mind stuff, you can really start to imagine and believe amazing things as well, not just say bad things not happening, and then the amazing things start to happen too.  But you do need three things though.  Repetition, faith and expectancy.
 
If you suffer stage fright it is because you have told your subconscious mind that so it makes it happen.  Change your thoughts and you change your destiny.  This is Joseph Murphy now, not me, but I have applied the principal and I am convinced it works.  Craig I am glad you and others are interested in this as well.  It is fascinating stuff.
2016/07/28 15:29:44
craigb
jamesg1213
I was OK until question 4....unless 'looks like he's been set on fire and put out with an axe' is acceptable...




I thought the same thing - LOL!
 
As much as I tried, I simply never had the hair for the 80's - oh well! 
 
(That Rain is one lucky guy, eh?  Hehe...)
2016/07/28 16:04:20
Beagle
craigb
jamesg1213
I was OK until question 4....unless 'looks like he's been set on fire and put out with an axe' is acceptable...




I thought the same thing - LOL!
 
As much as I tried, I simply never had the hair for the 80's - oh well! 
 
(That Rain is one lucky guy, eh?  Hehe...)


I did!  check out the mullet!!!
 


 
BTW - I didn't know it at the time, but that beautiful young woman seated in the front middle became Mrs. Beagle 26 years ago!
2016/07/28 16:14:23
Slugbaby
Beagle
 
BTW - I didn't know it at the time, but that beautiful young woman seated in the front middle became Mrs. Beagle 26 years ago!


Mrs. Beagle was a front-row girl?  You're lucky.  
I remember one show where 4 or 5 girls were up front, ogling me (i thought i had something on my face...).  Mrs Slugbaby walked onstage, smiled at them, kissed me on the cheek, and walked back offstage.  Suddenly there was a vacant space in front of stage left...
2016/07/28 16:22:03
craigb

 
(Oh yeah, nice catch Beagle!  )
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