jbl420


I here you but why is it that I can now record the drums if I play them on the controller but however I cannot record the prerecorded drum loops session drummer has anymore.

I pick hiphop kit and load it hit loop and press record I here the drums playing but yet they aren't being pickup. However I can atleast play them live. what am I doing wrong now do I have to set my soundcard to stereo mix or something stupid 

You can’t record that way. Adjacent to “midi” on the session drummer gui there is a musical note with a little plus sign. Depending on how you inserted your soft synth (e.g. instrument track or both audio and midi track) left mouse click the plus sign and drag it to the instrument track or the midi track.

^^^^^^^^
 
You don't really recording the predefined SD loops, you drag them from the GUI to a track's PRV as MIDI clips. \

jbl420


Yea but none of those mentioned are audio tracks. Don't you know that soundcenter and session drummer are both midi. No guess work about it

I dident mention anywhere that I was having a problem recording audio tracks I simply mentioned that I was trying to record vst plugins that are obviously midi. 

You don't have to be a rocket scientist to add a vst and play it sonar creates the track for you to record.

You sound like your almost implying that sonar doesn't know its butt from its elbow.

When you load a sample sonar creates an audio track on its own usually audio for a plugin usually midi withy sonar you don't even have to figure out what type of track your recording it does it for you.

So even if your a newbie to recording sonar does the work for you

again im having a hard time understanding how people are actually helping you right now.
the attitude, you need to lose or people will remember you the next time you need help.

it just doesn't make sense I never had to do anything special id click on preset b say and make sure the loop button is on in drummer then id hit record and and it would start playing along with other tracks I had I could even switch it up I would press pattern a then switch to b back and forth and it would pickup the data. Something just doesn't add up.

When I had x1 I would load electric piano kit  si bass whatever and it would record just fine. I don't understand why there sounds like its a bunch of steps creating special midi tracks etc.

How can you bounce something to a clip that's not there??? 

It seems it's time for you to do the tutorials and study the manual to learn the basics about using soft synths. And about bouncing.

I simply can not understand what and how you've been doing this far, but it seems obvious you don't know the very basics. 

In case we are just misunderstanding you: 
What about explaining what you're doing without irrelevant babbling. Just describe what tracks you have, what are their inputs and outputs, which are MIDI, which are audio etc. What soft synths are used and how exactly are they inserted.

I think I get what jbl420 is saying, though I don't understand how it could have worked in X1.

I would also have thought that you could play a 'performance' on say SD3 (play loops, hit pads, whatever) and record it while you're doing it. This seems sort of a natural thing to want to do. Play a virtual instrument instead of a real one while recording.

But apparently, all Sonar is able to record midi-wise is midi coming from an external controller ?
Why can't it record midi coming out of a synth ? What are jbl420 and I missing ?

EDIT : I think I get it. There is no midi coming out of the synth. Only midi going in, right ?
And there's no way to record the audio.

Why can't it record midi coming out of a synth ?

The problem is; is MIDI coming out of the synth or just sound?

Hitting a drum picture say in BFD2 or SD3 doesn't mean MIDI is being generated. To me that is a preview.  

A keyboard that generates MIDI is recordable.  This is the way its been done for a long time. 

Thanks John, it's hard to wrap my head around this but I think I'm starting to get it.

So midi's going in and you can record that along the way, and audio is coming out 'somewhere'.

Any way to record that audio without recording everything you-can-hear ?

Paul P


Thanks John, it's hard to wrap my head around this but I think I'm starting to get it.

So midi's going in and you can record that along the way, and audio is coming out 'somewhere'. 

The audio is being heard via an audio track assigned to the soft synth - this is then known as an "Instrument Track". It is also possible to have a single track assigned to a soft synth that controls both the MIDI and Audio but hides much of the routing that exists between the usual two tracks (MIDI & Audio) - this is known as a "Simple Instrument Track".

Any way to record that audio without recording everything you-can-hear ?

Select the SIT or MIDI & Instrument Track and select "Bounce to Tracks".

If you want more info on setting up and using MIDI based instruments/synths, I have a video on my youtube page HERE

chuckebaby


the attitude, you need to lose or people will remember you the next time you need help

Some of us already have. 

Paul P


Thanks John, it's hard to wrap my head around this but I think I'm starting to get it.

So midi's going in and you can record that along the way, and audio is coming out 'somewhere'.

Any way to record that audio without recording everything you-can-hear ?

Yes you can depending on your equipment. Sound Blasters had a "What You Hear" mode for recording. Most pro level audio cards don't. One can route audio to an input creating a loopback. This may require a patch cord. 

The audio can be captured under the right conditions. However there is no good reason to do that when you are recording the MIDI. MIDI will drive the synth at any time. The only reason to bounce to audio is for CPU off loading or mix down.