• SONAR
  • Why not Sonar? (p.2)
2013/03/26 09:03:38
deanx
I noticed SOS magazine no longer seem to have Sonar in their technique section, at least not in the latest issues i've bought. In March 2013 edition there is a tpw page technique section for Reason, Studio One, Cubase, Logic, Reaper, Pro Tools & Samplitude, but NO Sonar???

They always used to, not sure what's happened???
2013/03/26 09:58:34
FCCfirstclass
The SOS postings were being done by Craig Anderton, also a member of the Sonar Users Forum and who uses Sonar himself, who was promoted to a director of a large company.  I hope he has time for reviews, not only here, but in EM as well.

Time will tell.

I do agree with the Windows/Mac bias supporting Apple and Pro Tools.  When my daughter was in HS in 2004, her band teacher told me that PT gives major discounts to schools.  He used Sonar personally, but had to teach PT in class.  Apple also does the same thing in hopes of being so integrated that no other system need apply.
2013/03/26 10:07:44
Boomin36Beatz
don't know sos
maybe cakewalk dont allow magazines publishing tutorials because of their own tutorail series.

in most cases look at the impressum
probably there you will find the answer for your question.

i know only a couple of forums so i cant say much
2013/03/26 10:51:06
dlesaux
Latest issue of SOS does have Craig's Sonar column..
2013/03/26 11:01:24
AT
SOS, the most successful music tech magazine, has "let" Craig Anderton do tutorials and shops in SOS for the last ten years or so.  He also has published similar articles in EM, which he edits (ed?).  Craig himself chimed in about the lack of SOS Sonar articles - they aren't dropped he just hasn't had enough time along w/ regular scheduling blanks.  Not every previous issue of SOS included the SONAR pieces, which were regularly bumped when Sonar itself was reviewed.  Not to mention there used to be 4-5 mainstreamed DAWS.  Reason, Reaper and Studio One have been added to the tips/techniques section and despite its success, SOS has only a limited number of pages it can publish.

And yes, there is still a mac-centric view in the arts world, inlcuding music, video and publishing.  Several DAWs have migrated from the PC to Apple, while few have migrated to the PC (and PT rather unsuccesfully).  In the beginning, most if not all the professional programs were Apple, and most professional stuidos have stuck with it despite the cost advantage of PCs.  A lot more PC systems are out there, simply because most people use PCs because of business and, at home, the price.  If you intend to work in a pro studio, you had best learn apple/PT.  Otherwise, you can use anything else, and many pros use both systems.  The PC stigma is still there for others, however.

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2013/03/26 13:29:29
Boomin36Beatz
SOS looks good at first sight.
and pt is it really a standard ???
and whats the difference between sonar and pro tools???
i am asking because never used pt
and the most of my friends say logic,cubase
i dont wanna install a demo version
and i am a stay with sonar
spent too much time and i like the mixer and the routing possibilities of sonar.
but i am really curious
would like to hear your experiences with pt.
are there some special thinks that sonar cant do like pt???
sonar midi, wave and omf export for exchanging data between
other daws is good.

2013/03/26 15:14:33
LpMike75
From my experience - if the plug in says VST, it will work in Sonar.  Sonar is considered one of the "major" DAW software players, even if it isn't mentioned in every article or SOS issue.  The program has been around a long time and is quite mature.  We all know it could use improvements in some areas.  (VST3, Staff View, Working with video...etc) but it will get your job done.

As far as the argument about ProTools being industry standard and MAc's being preferred in the industry.  I'll point out that much of the music you hear on television now adays is made by people in their home studios using whatever software they use.  You or I might not know what software, computer, or soft synths they used unless we know the person personally.

In big studios and post houses, ProTools IS the standard.  It is a very mature program that everyone in that kind of industry learns sooner or later.  Does this apply to most of us here? Probably not.  This doesn't even apply to the guy actually writing and producing music for television, from his home studio.

So if your looking to be a studio engineer or work in a post facility, then learn ProTools, because it is the industry standard in that industry.  If you are a songwriter/composer, working and recording from home, then use whatever DAW software works for you, it is not relevant to anything except you. 

For whatever it's worth, the two studios I have near me, both use PC's.  One of them is even a video editing house.  It's all a pointless debate, as MAc and PC's will do the same job and any major DAW software will also let you write and record any music you want.
2013/03/26 15:36:58
Danny Danzi
I've been saying this for a long time. I can't even speculate why other than what Spencer said...as that is my belief also. What we may need is more "real rockstar" people helping to push Sonar.
 
I've noticed that each time a company releases some sort of controller or something, Sonar was either at the end of the list of names or not included at all. What justifies getting your name on that list? That's what *I'd* be asking if I worked at the bakery. Why did UAD stop in house testing on Sonar? Are we too difficult to work with? Did it bother UAD that we needed a special "Sonar enhancement" button that they had to implement in order for their software to work well with us?
 
One good thing....which may be the first of great things to come. Waves and Sonar must be doing something together. We went from Waves not caring that the GUI was jacked and controls didn't work right to Sonar helping them sell products. So there must have been some sort of compromise somewhere. This is a good thing.
 
Back to UAD, they listed a fix for their latest software that mentioned a fix for Sonar users. This is another good sign that maybe things are changing. I hope we had something to do with that as I hounded UAD for 3 weeks talking to tech support begging for them to look into our issues. We have a great product. It's as good or better than anything out there getting acclaim. I still think not many take us seriously enough and we don't have enough big guns with a name to push us. Time will tell...but it appears someone is trying to make a difference for the better.
 
-Danny
2013/03/26 16:53:14
Rain
It used to be much, much worst in the late 90s and early 2000s when Cakewalk was widely dismissed and frequently referred to as a toy.

Despite its qualities, Pro Audio was seriously lagging behind in terms of features, partly due to Cakewalk's refusal to support VST and rely on ASIO. They did try to re-invent that wheel for years...

So while Cubase, Logic and the others were offering low-latency, virtual instruments and all the other goodies, all Cakewalk had to offer was a very basic (though solid) audio-midi sequencer.

The fact that it was PC-only didn't help. Pro Tools, Digital Performer and Studio Vision DSP were Mac only. The valid alternatives - Cubase and Logic - were both cross-platform.

Pro Audio was like an alternative to the alternatives, and as such, usually dismissed.

So while big studios were being equipped w/ expensive Pro Tools TDM systems, other folks who could help build a reputation - cutting edge major league artists like Nine Inch Nails, who were moving away from traditional studios and helping set the private/home studio trend usually adopted Studio Vision DSP, Logic or Digital Performer, because these could be used w/ Digidesign hardware, while providing the MIDI features they needed.

The other people who can help give a piece of software its credibility and bring out its name, like the people scoring movies, were opting for DP, Cubase, Logic, for reasons still obvious almost 15 years later.

Lastly, both Cubase and Logic being made in Europe and cross-platform, it's no surprise that they were the apps of choice for the folks at Computer Music and other such publications based in Europe, further marginalizing Cakewalk.

So back then, telling people you were using Pro Audio typically got you the same kind of reactions you'll see when someones says he's using a Soundblaster. 

Nowadays, Sonar is usually accepted as a valid alternative - not so much because it actually gained recognition and earned its place, but, sadly, because it's been commonly accepted that technology progressed and alternatives have become valid options.
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