rabeach


http://kevincharlesbrandon.homestead.com/files/Professionals.html

With all due respect, reading that the bass player from Megadeth uses Sonar to record demos for his next solo project... He could be using Fruity Studio and it wouldn't make a difference on the end product. 


Not to mention that, the bass player for Megadeth isn't exactly the first person I'd think of if I were looking for advice on a DAW. And the same is true for a lot of the names on that list.

There's also a huge gap between a "professional" and a superstar.


That's not exactly like star composer Hans Zimmer explaining how he used Cubase to score The Dark Knight and raving about VST expression or, I don't know, a technology-savy band like Depeche Mode or Nine Inch Nails saying that they tracked their last album w/ Logic.


FWIW, I don't consider that such endorsements should be taken all that seriously. But, when we get into the name-dropping games, not every name makes the same impression.


Tony Visconti mixing a David Bowie album in Logic kind of steals the spot if compared to a session musician who uses Cakewalk at home (as amazingly talented as that guy can be).

If I knew what you were talking about I would comment. As far as I know that web post is 11 years old. I just thought it was interesting. 

What I meant is that, besides being dated, that list and the names on it aren't exactly glamorous or eye-catching, in terms of DAW software endorsement.

I think it is just  that Steinberg OWN the intellectual rights to the VST format, and companies are simply reflecting that in specification/requirements listings. Hence the referral to Cubase most of the time...As for other DAW's perhaps there are some "placement" fees going on???

It is a pretty safe bet there will be a money trail there somewhere 

I seriously doubt there is ANY conspiracy by way of country of origin/ownership or against developers per se...

Rain


It used to be much, much worst in the late 90s and early 2000s when Cakewalk was widely dismissed and frequently referred to as a toy.

Despite its qualities, Pro Audio was seriously lagging behind in terms of features, partly due to Cakewalk's refusal to support VST and rely on ASIO. They did try to re-invent that wheel for years...

So while Cubase, Logic and the others were offering low-latency, virtual instruments and all the other goodies, all Cakewalk had to offer was a very basic (though solid) audio-midi sequencer.

The fact that it was PC-only didn't help. Pro Tools, Digital Performer and Studio Vision DSP were Mac only. The valid alternatives - Cubase and Logic - were both cross-platform.

Pro Audio was like an alternative to the alternatives, and as such, usually dismissed.

So while big studios were being equipped w/ expensive Pro Tools TDM systems, other folks who could help build a reputation - cutting edge major league artists like Nine Inch Nails, who were moving away from traditional studios and helping set the private/home studio trend usually adopted Studio Vision DSP, Logic or Digital Performer, because these could be used w/ Digidesign hardware, while providing the MIDI features they needed.

The other people who can help give a piece of software its credibility and bring out its name, like the people scoring movies, were opting for DP, Cubase, Logic, for reasons still obvious almost 15 years later.

Lastly, both Cubase and Logic being made in Europe and cross-platform, it's no surprise that they were the apps of choice for the folks at Computer Music and other such publications based in Europe, further marginalizing Cakewalk.

So back then, telling people you were using Pro Audio typically got you the same kind of reactions you'll see when someones says he's using a Soundblaster. 

Nowadays, Sonar is usually accepted as a valid alternative - not so much because it actually gained recognition and earned its place, but, sadly, because it's been commonly accepted that technology progressed and alternatives have become valid options.

I remember this period of time or I should say a little just after it.   Emagic was purchased by Apple and Logic was no longer destined for PC.  I remember back then that mags like CM and FM would consider, Cubase, Logic & Sonar as the big 3 with Ableton creeping.  However, anyone I talked to personally, NEEDED a mac and Logic.  It was just the IT thing to have for music production.  Reason & Fruity Loops were also in the mix, but PT and Logic were the major studio apps.  

Everything you say lends a lot of cred!   Glad I wasn't the only one seeing that.   

maybe it's because midi implementation in sonar isn't 100% reliable.  I've said it before - the glitches in sonar with midi, esp midi being sent from multiple soft synths, makes the whole program look amateurish.

Yeah I agree with this...more than most of the above, having used it primarily as a midi DAW since Cake 3...only in the last couple of years have I got into the audio side of it.

swamptooth


maybe it's because midi implementation in sonar isn't 100% reliable.  I've said it before - the glitches in sonar with midi, esp midi being sent from multiple soft synths, makes the whole program look amateurish.

joden


I think it is just  that Steinberg OWN the intellectual rights to the VST format, and companies are simply reflecting that in specification/requirements listings. Hence the referral to Cubase most of the time...As for other DAW's perhaps there are some "placement" fees going on???

It is a pretty safe bet there will be a money trail there somewhere 

I seriously doubt there is ANY conspiracy by way of country of origin/ownership or against developers per se...

I would not underestimate the DX vs VST strategy that ran its course. Companies compete with a finite number of consumers. I would expect some resentment even though it is probably not overt.

I'm really really bummed because I was using Cakewalk by twelve tone 20 years ago at university and now, getting back into the music side of things and the software architecture of both vsts and adaptive modules for reactor and kontakt I've had to abandon sonar as a testing environment completely.  it has a lot of potential but what I am building right now simply will not work unless they nail the midi problems down. 

Yeah, true.

rabeach

joden


I think it is just  that Steinberg OWN the intellectual rights to the VST format, and companies are simply reflecting that in specification/requirements listings. Hence the referral to Cubase most of the time...As for other DAW's perhaps there are some "placement" fees going on???

It is a pretty safe bet there will be a money trail there somewhere 

I seriously doubt there is ANY conspiracy by way of country of origin/ownership or against developers per se...

I would not underestimate the DX vs VST strategy that ran its course. Companies compete with a finite number of consumers. I would expect some resentment even though it is probably not overt.