• SONAR
  • Used Superior to create my drums and buses and outputs, but there's a slight problem (p.2)
2013/03/02 11:40:52
scook
Here is a start for you.

Insert Superior Drummer into an empty project make sure to check the "MIDI Source", "Synth Track Folder" and "All Synth Audio Outputs: Stereo" in the SONAR "Insert Soft Synth Options Dialog".

Load whatever drum kit you want into Superior Drummer.

Switch to the Superior Drummer mixer and select multichannel from an output dropdown. This will group some of the microphones to a single stereo track, for example the kicks, other microphones will have their own stereo pair. You are now done with a simple Superior Drummer config.

Back in SONAR, label the audio outputs to agree with the Superior Drummer outputs.

Create a drum bus, select and change the audio output of all the drum tracks to the drum bus. If you want you can create separate sends for whatever you want.

Assign the output of the MIDI track to the drum map of for the drumkit you are using. There are a few drum maps at the Toontrack user download area. I think I had to make a few drum maps using one I found in SONAR or a Toontrack download and the pdf Toontrack supplies for each drum kit.
The basic setup is complete, select the drum folder, all the audio drum tracks, the MIDI track, drum busses and save it as a track template.
2013/03/02 12:48:15
redbarchetta
scook
You my friend are a rock star!



2013/03/24 21:24:52
Frostysnake
@Red...man you you helped me by asking questions here and at the same time opened up a huge can of worms...Session Drummer 3...no problem...I can make everything do what I need. Superior 2...I am lost...I can not tell from the mixer in S2 what is what as far as tracks go in X2...I also cannot get S2 to save custom kits for the DR880...it saves some of the pieces but when I close out and restart it,load my saved kit and then it's all screwed up...pad 11 won't stay a tom and becomes a cymbal while the ride and bell go back to how it was originally in S2 before I remapped them how I wanted using LEARN ...I am so ticked I can't even see now...can you(or anyone) guide me??
2013/03/24 22:08:16
Middleman
The only problem is when you switch drum kits in Superior, the output assignments change back to the default which screws up your routing to Sonar. The reason being is that each kit uses less or more mixer channels depending on how it was tracked and also uses the default outputs. To help make it all manageable, you need to go through each drumkit in Superior, set it up to map to Sonar and then save it as a user setting inside of Superior. That way when you switch drum kits, you just have to load the user setting for that kit and it will reset the routing to Sonar with a quick drop down.
2013/03/25 11:17:51
Paul G
I generally put my kick in mono , centered.
2013/03/25 14:00:16
bitflipper
There is certainly room for Toontracks to make improvements to Superior's UI. I don't know why they don't, given their overall high-quality standards.
2013/03/25 15:12:15
redbarchetta
Frostysnake


@Red...man you you helped me by asking questions here and at the same time opened up a huge can of worms...Session Drummer 3...no problem...I can make everything do what I need. Superior 2...I am lost...I can not tell from the mixer in S2 what is what as far as tracks go in X2...I also cannot get S2 to save custom kits for the DR880...it saves some of the pieces but when I close out and restart it,load my saved kit and then it's all screwed up...pad 11 won't stay a tom and becomes a cymbal while the ride and bell go back to how it was originally in S2 before I remapped them how I wanted using LEARN ...I am so ticked I can't even see now...can you(or anyone) guide me??

I dunno man. I gave up on trying to get my DR-880 and Toontrack software to play nice. I don't know how to create a drum map, don't really even know what one is, and even if I did create one, I wouldn't know what to do with it. And to be honest, not even 100% sure that is what's needed to get those to things to play nice.
 
The one time that I sent a signal from the 880 to SD, I created the MIDI track, saved it. I then had to manually edit that midi track to get the SD drums to sound like the 880s drum beat.
 
 
2013/03/25 15:15:11
redbarchetta
bitflipper


There is certainly room for Toontracks to make improvements to Superior's UI. I don't know why they don't, given their overall high-quality standards.

For me the biggest thing that I don't like is the small area you get to work with in the mixer. Why not allow SD to take up a bigger window so we don't have to scroll from left to right all the time in the mix window????
 
Also would be SUPER cool if you could use 3rd party VSTs on the drums from within SD.  Having said that, I plan on using their presets for now. In fact I just purchased the presets that go with the Metal Foundry package.
2013/03/25 15:17:36
Frostysnake
Now I might be able to help you with playing the 880's beats or patterns(let me know if you do, because I can get that done no problem.)...if you want the 88's  original drum or bass sounds, then all you have to do is record the 880 through the audio outs which is easy...
2013/03/25 15:18:40
Frostysnake
...and from what I gather, unless you are editing in the PRV, then a drum map is pretty much useless...
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