• SONAR
  • Used Superior to create my drums and buses and outputs, but there's a slight problem (p.3)
2013/03/25 17:50:45
Frostysnake
@ Middleman...that is exactly my problem...I set up everything how I want it WITHIN SD2 and when I call up that preset, it is nothing like what I saved...extremely frustrating and bizarre...basically I can't set Superior to save anything like I want it...I'm not even worried about X2 yet...
2013/03/25 18:38:56
Middleman
Frostysnake


@ Middleman...that is exactly my problem...I set up everything how I want it WITHIN SD2 and when I call up that preset, it is nothing like what I saved...extremely frustrating and bizarre...basically I can't set Superior to save anything like I want it...I'm not even worried about X2 yet...


 Are you using the load save drop down and then creating a combined preset? That way it gives you the option to save all the settings in Superior. The straight save feature (non combined) won't get you there.
2013/03/25 22:27:57
Frostysnake
Ahhhhh....I just kinda learned that over on Toontrack...then what the hect is the regular Save\Save As good for??
2013/03/25 22:29:30
Frostysnake
This what I wrote over on Toontrack... However,"Save Selected" should be doing what I have been trying to get it to do, which is to simply save my custom kits(no X drums...just the Avatar Kit with the selected drums...no fx, routing or anything special). Am I right here?? This is usually pretty straight fwd in any program...help me out if I am missing anything here. The only other thing I should mention is I am mapping a few of the drums using ACT Learn in Sonar X2, but this shouldn't in my mind effect anything as far as saving a kit, right??
2013/03/25 23:19:24
redbarchetta
Wish I could help you out man, but I'm still figuring my way around as well. 
2013/03/26 06:59:08
Frostysnake
lol..glad I'm not alone Red!
2013/03/26 13:42:45
bitflipper
Thanks for mentioning that, Phil. Even after all these years, I'd never used that option! I've always started from a generic user-defined preset, but I think I'll start saving combined presets named for the songs I used them in, for future re-use in similar projects.

I have a few gripes about the UI...it's nice they've provided 16 busses and 16 outputs, but who ever uses them all? We should be able to hide unused channels. I'd also like to see mike channels and busses on separate tabs, with bigger controls and labels. Or at least remember the horizontal slider position between invocations. FX slots, apparently patterned after ProTools, take up 1/3 of the vertical real estate - wasted space, IMO. I rarely use more than 1 or 2 out of the 10 available.

It's still my go-to drum synth, though. But why they didn't include a tambourine in the basic kit beats the heck outa me. Fortunately Jamstix's percussion pack fills out what's missing in SD2. Best tambourines I've got are in there.
2013/03/26 13:59:14
Frostysnake
How do you go about saving these presets, Bitflipper? Are you saving them within SD2 or within X2? If you are saving them within X2 how do you go about doing it?
2013/03/26 14:26:15
redbarchetta
Frostysnake


lol..glad I'm not alone Red!

Misery loves company right?  I've decided to go the synth route.  Been stocking up on Toontrack goodies. Got the Metal Foundry pack... Nice.  Plus got the two metal foundry preset packages.  REALLY like those.  At this point with those presets, I'm not worried as much about bringing in the individual tracks into Sonar and tweaking them now.  Maybe in time as my ears develop and become more critical, but for now, those two preset packages are going to take a long way.
2013/03/26 17:57:55
Middleman
bitflipper


Thanks for mentioning that, Phil. Even after all these years, I'd never used that option! I've always started from a generic user-defined preset, but I think I'll start saving combined presets named for the songs I used them in, for future re-use in similar projects.

I have a few gripes about the UI...it's nice they've provided 16 busses and 16 outputs, but who ever uses them all? We should be able to hide unused channels. I'd also like to see mike channels and busses on separate tabs, with bigger controls and labels. Or at least remember the horizontal slider position between invocations. FX slots, apparently patterned after ProTools, take up 1/3 of the vertical real estate - wasted space, IMO. I rarely use more than 1 or 2 out of the 10 available.

It's still my go-to drum synth, though. But why they didn't include a tambourine in the basic kit beats the heck outa me. Fortunately Jamstix's percussion pack fills out what's missing in SD2. Best tambourines I've got are in there.

NP - After getting burned a few times and having to re-manually configure the routing, I stumbled upon that option. It takes some time to pull up each drum kit and making sure the Superior outputs are routed to Sonar in the way you like and then saving your drumkit as a combined preset, but once it's done, you can quickly pull up any Superior drumkit into a standardized drum template in Sonar.
 
Regarding routing, I find if you EQ and volume control inside of Superior you can bring everything down to 5 stereo tracks into Sonar. Kick, Snare, Toms, Overheads, Room and then compress things inside of Sonar. Makes things much more manageable and if you need to go back and tweak something, you can always jump back into Superior. Makes mixing much more manageable.
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