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  • X2 soft synth latency issue
2013/03/20 23:04:52
wkujater
I recently upgraded from X1 to X2 and now have a latency issue when performing with a soft synth. For example - I'm trying to record a new track of Arturia Mini Moog, but the latency is bad enough I cannot do it. I've used Sonar back to version 5 and have not had this problem. I've been using the same audio interface all along - M Audio Delta 1010. I have the same OS I did when i was running X1. The only change is from X1 to X2. I assume there is some setting I am missing. I'm running ASIO drivers and latency is down to 1.3ms/64 samples (i think that's pretty darn good!) Any change I make does not seem to make a dent in the latency (worse or better) in any soft synth I play. Any ideas?
2013/03/20 23:12:49
daveny5
Do you have another soundcard selected? Check Preferences-Audio and make sure only the Delta1010 is checked.
2013/03/20 23:18:02
noynekker
Can you adjust the latency of the soundcard up to say 512 samples, and it makes no difference ?
Are there any memory intensive plugins in this project ? What OS are you running ? How much ram ?
2013/03/20 23:19:01
wkujater
I checked and there is only the various delta 1010 ins and outs. Just as an experiment I tried deselecting all but the delta 1010 outs 1 and 2 (turning off outs 3-8) and exporting again. Still no luck.
Thanks for the quick response though!
2013/03/20 23:23:54
wkujater
Correct - I started with 256 samples, and as I came down it seemed to make no difference (oddly no crackles either). I just tried 512 and it seems the same.


Arturia Mini V (not sure if its memory hog or not) - other than that - TTS1 and ~20 tracks of pure audio! Win7 4 GB ram.
noynekker


Can you adjust the latency of the soundcard up to say 512 samples, and it makes no difference ?
Are there any memory intensive plugins in this project ? What OS are you running ? How much ram ?



2013/03/20 23:39:31
noynekker
Are you using Sonar 64 bit, on Win 7 64 bit ?  Or 32 bit system ?
4GB ram could be an issue, with many audio tracks, plugins, and the OS all running on 4GB.
2013/03/21 00:33:02
WDI
Some plugins use delay compensation. If you have plugins on our audio tracks try bypassing them.
2013/03/21 21:36:57
wkujater
So oddly enough, when I add the soft synth as "Simple Instrument" it has the bad latency. I usually don't use this option as I want the more detailed control that the other options provide. In this case I just wanted to do a quick take to mirror an electric bass part (to see how bad its intonation was!) so thought simple instrument would be fine. So thanks to the last comment here I tried adding the instrument the way I normally do with "Midi Source" and "First Synth Audio Out" and tada - no latency - just like I'm used to on my system.

I looked at the original problematic track before deleting it, and it was not added as an audio track with soft synth inside. So not sure what the problem is but at least I have a solution!

Thanks all.

2013/03/21 21:52:06
wkujater
Grrr.... spoke too soon. So latency is zero when first adding the synth. Either as simple instrument or not. Then play the session a few bars, and play synth - the latency is back.
I'm guessing software glitch at this point, since hardware and OS are same as they have been for a couple years now. 

2013/03/22 00:38:14
WDI
Sounds like plugin delay compensation. Try bypassing any plugins in the project. And I'm not talking about just the soft synth track. Any track that has plugins, turn them off and see if latency goes away. 
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