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John T


Am I being dumb, or is it impossible to move the synth rack out of the browser? Not loving that.

This is a good example of supporting the concept of how people use the software and either know, don't know, haven't found out yet about something within the software.   And it helps point out the need for better choices.
 
Here's the scoop on the Synth Rack.
 
It is PART OF the Browser now.  Locked in.  No way out.   So if you want to move ONLY the Synth Rack - that's a no go.
 
Furthermore, as I've pointed out elsewhere, if you do resize the Synth Rack view within the Browser (to see the important assignable controls and on/off buttons, for example) you're, in essence, widening the ENTIRE Browser.
 
You can mutlidock the Browser and then see the Synth Rack wide.  But then you lose the ability to have a more streamlined browser (ie, docked on the right, for example) because you then give up seeing the Synth Rack as you might prefer.
 
See the problem(s) ?   That takes away some functionaliity and workflow for me personally.  Others have agreed.  I suspect you (now) do.
 
 

Not quite. I'm not massively fussed about lots of options.

The thing about this design decision is that the other lists in the browser are inherently vertical in nature, and the synth rack is inherently horizontal.

To me, it's kind of obvious that the synth rack either needs to be redesigned to be sympathetic to being displayed in a vertical strip, OR set free from being browser-only. Either would do.

Yeah, that's my current GUI redesign objection. For example, instead of Volume and Pan symbols, we now have text saying Volume and Pan.

That is not a removed feature in any way one can count it. We need to start viewing X1 as a brand new DAW entirely. Just like going to a different developer. When we do that it will not be so bad.

Oh, absolutely agree, that was a tangent.

Your opening question is a good one, I think. There's a perception kicking around of things having been removed, which doesn't hold up at all well once you look at it in detail.

Thanks John T for getting the idea I am trying to point out. What is being talked about here is not any function or ability that Sonar offered as a feature being removed.
What is being said here are really cosmetic issues. Sure it impacts how one works with X1 as oppose to how one did work with Sonar but not that any real function or feature was in fact removed. I would like for example a user created button bar perhaps as a way to get some of 8's usability back. But I was given the impression that X1 was not as capable as what I already have in 8.5.3. That is false. I think it needs to be stated that one is not going backwards as was stated so many times in other threads. In fact one may gain things. Such as GPU support for taking processing off the CPU.

I have seen posts saying that one should get an ATI card for this new version.  To my knowledge ATI does not support this. I need to look at this further to know the facts. The manual is not clear about what is supported and in what way. But something is being supported. I am not talking about Areo either.

Good advice is really not being thoughtfully given in the wake of us all scrambling to come to grips with this new version. 

"... I can't find anything taken out of X1 that we had in Sonar 8.5.3..." 


In the Track View there is no Now time status of the cursor , Your forced to use aim assist to find out where your dragging your clips, Slip stretching a clip , ect. , They have it sorta in the staff view. 

yorolpal


In my TV I generally keep my Snap on "Measure" as I'm mostly cutting and pasting Chrouses and Verses and such.  I switch to "Absolute Time", of course, when editing audio clips.  In my PRV however I'm almost always on eighths, sixteenths or their triplet siblings...because these are the most ubiquitous units I'm editing individual notes to.  When moving back and forth as much as I do between views it's good to know what my Snap is set to in both.  Many...many...many's the time in the new setup I've done some editing in PRV jumped back into TV and tried to some editing only to see I'm using the wrong Snap setting...this can be maddening especially if I'm unknowingly set at absolute time...cut and paste a chorus and verse or two and then realize they are all just a tick or two off.  In any case, for many of us, Having different Snap to Grids seems better. 

Exactly!  I use it the same exact way.  I would think most of us do that.  In TV, copying and pasting clips or arranging sections of the song I want the resolution of the snap to the measure.  But in PRV I need a fine adjustment.  Now I'm constantly changing Snap, whereas before, I could get away with leaving TV on Measures and PRV on 16ths most of the time. 

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Steinberg did the same thing with Cubase SX. (They took out stuff.)  CW did the same thing with Sonar 1.(CW took out stuff here too.) Of course it is Sonar and that is my point. If it had been dumbed down as many have alleged you would be right. But it hasn't. It is the new Sonar that many have been begging for. It has all that the old Sonar had and more to boot. That is what is true and not what is being posted. 

John


Thanks John T for getting the idea I am trying to point out. What is being talked about here is not any function or ability that Sonar offered as a feature being removed.
What is being said here are really cosmetic issues. Sure it impacts how one works with X1 as oppose to how one did work with Sonar but not that any real function or feature was in fact removed. I would like for example a user created button bar perhaps as a way to get some of 8's usability back. But I was given the impression that X1 was not as capable as what I already have in 8.5.3. That is false. I think it needs to be stated that one is not going backwards as was stated so many times in other threads. In fact one may gain things. Such as GPU support for taking processing off the CPU.

I have seen posts saying that one should get an ATI card for this new version.  To my knowledge ATI does not support this. I need to look at this further to know the facts. The manual is not clear about what is supported and in what way. But something is being supported. I am not talking about Areo either.

Good advice is really not being thoughtfully given in the wake of us all scrambling to come to grips with this new version. 

John - when I first installed X1 I was not intending to use it as my main DAW until some patches came out and until I got a new computer.  I just wanted to get a feel for it and see what it was all about while I kept working with 8.5.3.  But I haven't done any work in 8.5.3 since the installation.  I've done a ton of work in X1.  There are no "show stoppers" in X1 for me.  Maybe for others.  Sure it takes a little longer to learn some new things, and my keyboard shortcuts mean different things, and it has crashed on me a few times, but I am never going back to 8.5.3.  8.5.3 is old technology based on the first iteration of Sonar, which at that time was ground breaking.  To me X1 is far a far superior GUI and workflow.  It has bugs for sure but they will be worked out.