I think that the lack of a full manual contributed to a lot of the early "stuff's gone" postings.

One thing I miss is having the toolbar at the top of the TV & the Large Transport floating over the CV (on different screens) at the same time - I could glance up & see pertinent info on both screens.

In X1 I can sort of replicate it with screensets changing the location of the Control Bar but it requires a keystroke to change the screenset & that can lead to audio dropouts which break the flow.

I think that the lack of a full manual contributed to a lot of the early "stuff's gone" postings.

I think you have that absolutely right.

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John


Cornielous;

It was not my intention to disregard any poster's issues. It was my intention to find out what people thought was not included in X1. I thought it was time for a stepping back, a taking of breath and look at this with some rational deliberation.

To me things were beginning to be a little hysterical on the forum and someone needed to post a thread like this one.

Your list could all be said to be not removed but changed. It all depends on how one looks at it. Things moved. Others consolidated. And still other made consistent is not a reduction of any feature that 8.5 had. Heck X1 still supports Studioware. Cal is supported as well.

We knew that Sonar was getting a bit musty. We knew that sooner or later a massive change was bound to happen. I am freaked out by the fact that CW has found a way of including all that was in 8.5 and still come up with a brand new DAW. That should be applauded and right now I hear far to many boos.

The other things you talked about are also known to CW and will be fixed.

I do feel it important that users speak out to draw attention to problems and issues but there is also a lot of bad information floating around on this forum. 

For better or worse our work-flow is changed with this version. We either learn to deal with it or we move on.

Hi John,

Thank you for taking the time to clarify - I appreciate that. I think you captured one of the main points of contention, which is that some of us feel that reorganizing and moving things did remove functionality, others of us feel that everything is still there. To me these are mutually exclusive - either equivalent capability (equivalent in terms of ease of use  and efficiency counts too) is there, or it isn't.

I can certainly conceptualize both positions on this issue, but my personal experience in X1 tells me that the ability to get from A to B is crippled in some cases - no matter how adaptable I make myself to the new way of doing things. Some of the choices made are just non optimal. That makes me want resolution in the form of voicing my complaints, having them heard, and eventually hopefully having X1b or X2 the powerhouse I know it can be.

I don't agree that the previous version was musty. I think it needed a GUI update, and maybe a slight spring cleaning, but not an overhaul that dispensed with some meticulously crafted features for what seem like quickly drafted features. I think there may have been a different path forward that added the new functionality and clarity while still preserving the power, simplicity and elegance of the features and customizations that had been allowed in previous versions. As it stands I don't feel like some parts of X1 are either powerful or clear. I would say they are bare bones and in some cases clunky -but I know they are working on it, and I hope the Sonar line will continue to always be home for me.

Again, thanks for the dialog.

Best,
D

Mooch4056


is it just me - but I used to be able to arm and record an audio track on the fly while things were rolling in 8.5.3

can't do it now 

although I dont do it on the fly much anyway so maybe I am wacked 

Thank you Mooch for asking this. Thank you Cornielous for answering. This is what I was hoping for in this thread.

Questions of "where on earth did they put x,y or z". Or "I was able to do this in 8.X how do I do it in X1".

I think the internet has somewhat made us all lazy. As soon as something unexpected happens, it's a lot easier to come somewhere like here and post THIS SUX than it is to spend some time trying to work it out.

The primary problem for long time Sonar users is that we were expecting a glorious upgrade to Sonar which would address long standing bugs, but we got something quite different from that. 

It was quite a shock when we discovered that X1's interface is astronomically different from Sonar.  It's made it seem that things were removed from Sonar, when for the most part, it's just hidden things, and now days and days into the new program, we're still hunting and pecking to find things and establish an approach that will work for us.

It's been like an Easter Egg hunt turned nightmare as we look and look for things that are no longer where we expect them, when keybindings we've relied on are changed, and when some things are so simplified that with a dawning numb dread we realize our workflow has just gotten more difficult.  Many of us are finding that it's not so wonderful to have an all new interface - because the changes aren't improving our output.

People keep trying to master X1 because this It, Sonar - 8.5 was described by a staff person recently as "dead"--to be left as is, bugs and all, never to be improved upon.  We can just keep with 8.5, but there are several tantalizing carrots being dangled with X1- snappy screensets, drag-n-dropping entire projects into projects- to name a few slick new items that we want.

And so on. - The initial reaction was that a lot of things were removed, because it's been so danged hard to find where our controls are now.  It's not as if the new interface is all that intuitive - so it's a grind and a bore to learn the new program, right when we thought we'd be whizzing along on our good ol 8.5- except an upgraded one with a lot of bugs fixed.

And so on.

--um--X1 definitely removed the much nicer looking graphics that Sonar used to have.

Randy B.

Maybe a shock when it was announced, but you can't claim it was a shock on purchase.

Good post Randy.

--um--X1 definitely removed the much nicer looking graphics that Sonar used to have.
That may be in the eye of the beholder. I am not sure about that at present. So I have no opinion.

Craig Anderton has running dialog on his site
http://acapella.harmony-c...-Running-Here.../page5

I found really interesting the posts starting on page 5. I know I want to upgrade, but with my computer still on XP service pack 2 and no staff view improvement, I'll take my time. I have downloaded the manual and started to read it. I like where X1 is heading just really disappointed that staff view was still neglected this time around. How long must I wait