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  • All those that say that X1 has removed things that were in Sonar 8.5.3 please list them. (p.7)
2010/12/24 22:33:17
Babe1
Can't hide individual automation parameters.  When you have several parameters in a track, it gets very cluttered.

This has been mentioned before but I think it's very important; I miss a lot of the tool buttons. All CW had to do was leave in the customization of tool bars.
2010/12/24 22:46:15
John
Have you tried the automation filter AKA Edit Filter? From what all are stating from CW and elsewhere it is just the opposite of what you describe.
2010/12/24 23:26:28
rbowser
John T


Maybe a shock when it was announced, but you can't claim it was a shock on purchase.


Well, John T, it isn't a good practice to tell people either what to experience or how they're supposed to experience something.  I'm telling you that, yes, I can claim that X1 was a shock on purchase.  It doesn't matter if you think it shouldn't have been.  It was.  And I know from being on the Forum that I'm certainly not alone in being shocked by it.  Please don't claim to know anything about how I feel about X1 or anything.  Just take my word when I'm talking about my own personal experience, and that experience is that X1 was a shock when I finally had my hands on it, and I still can't make it replace 8.5.

Hi, John - "...That may be in the eye of the beholder..."
re: the graphics of X1.  Yes, of course it's in the eye of the beholder.  But, as far as this goes, you can see that there are quite a few eyes which are beholding X1 in the same way - as the ugly, drab, blocky, program design 101 monstrosity that I consider it to be. 

And so it goes.

Back to "The Nutcracker" on the telly - done without Any version of Sonar, I'm willing to wager!

Randy B.
2010/12/24 23:58:44
mudgel
John


Thanks John T for getting the idea I am trying to point out. What is being talked about here is not any function or ability that Sonar offered as a feature being removed.
What is being said here are really cosmetic issues. Sure it impacts how one works with X1 as oppose to how one did work with Sonar but not that any real function or feature was in fact removed. I would like for example a user created button bar perhaps as a way to get some of 8's usability back. But I was given the impression that X1 was not as capable as what I already have in 8.5.3. That is false. I think it needs to be stated that one is not going backwards as was stated so many times in other threads. In fact one may gain things. Such as GPU support for taking processing off the CPU.

I have seen posts saying that one should get an ATI card for this new version.  To my knowledge ATI does not support this. I need to look at this further to know the facts. The manual is not clear about what is supported and in what way. But something is being supported. I am not talking about Areo either.

Good advice is really not being thoughtfully given in the wake of us all scrambling to come to grips with this new version. 
Robin or Seth (whoever it was) didn't say anything about X1 taking advantage of a Graphic's cards GPU. The question  was asked of them was this the case and they said with the increase in screen graphics manipulation in X1 it would be best to have a graphics card with 1 GIG of memory.
 
In X1 they were taking advantage of more SSE instruction sets (CPU not GPU)
 
Believe me I'm using a QUADRA FX 3800 and there's nothing loaded off onto the GPU.
I wish people would read posts properly
2010/12/25 00:14:51
John
They didn't have to; read below. This is posted in another thread from me Mike.

● New graphics framework
○ In order to streamline graphics drawing SONAR X1 has a new
framework (graphics engine) to handle all graphics drawing operations
○ This framework abstracts the work of drawing objects minimizing
kernel use, thereby reducing glitches even when navigating large
projects in the UI
○ We built a new graphics layer for the future which allows for the best
possible rendering on various OS versions and affords the use of
modern graphic primitives.
○ The benefit is manifold. Easier to code, easier to debug, and nice to
look at.
○ We’re taking advantage of several things that were a bit challenging
to render previously. A few examples are anti-aliased rendering of
many different types of geometric shapes (both outlined and filled),
alpha blending, gradients, etc. in many places.
○ We’ll be bringing more and more UI code into the future.

The above is from the fineprint PDF of Noel Borthwick.

This could be all they mean about what is in X1. I may be totally wrong in thinking CUDA was implemented.


2010/12/25 00:26:22
Positively Charged
InstrEd


Craig Anderton has running dialog on his site
http://acapella.harmony-central.com/showthread.php?2711068-I-Have-Sonar-X1-Up-and-Running-Here.../page5

I found really interesting the posts starting on page 5.
Yes indeed.  I particularly find his comment in post #91 (also on page 5) interesting.  The post where he says he won't use 8.5 unless it's the only thing on the computer he's using at the moment.

I also noted his comments regarding audiosnap and the new inspector (in other posts, I think).  And just to keep this on topic, in the posts I read, I did not see any comments from him regarding any possibly missing features in X1.  There could be...I have not read the whole thread.
2010/12/25 00:30:04
Positively Charged
P.S.  John, we definitely needed a "can-do" thread of this nature.  I mean...yes, we might identify missing features in X1, but based on my reading thus far, I think we will more often learn newer and maybe faster ways of doing common tasks.  Together, as a community.  And that is a good thing.

So thanks!
2010/12/25 01:37:27
mixmkr
how about custom colors and a floatable large transport?
2010/12/25 02:01:51
John
Positively Charged thank you. I recommend the Anderton thread for all here to read. I wish I had his writing skill.
2010/12/25 02:24:11
FastBikerBoy
some of us feel that reorganizing and moving things did remove functionality, others of us feel that everything is still there. To me these are mutually exclusive - either equivalent capability (equivalent in terms of ease of use  and efficiency counts too) is there, or it isn't.


Just goes to show how different we all are because I disagree with this. For example I suggested somewhere that the PRV/TV snap to settings wasn't a problem as there are now screensets. To me a screenset change is a push of a button which is great and IMHO far better than having to take my hand away from my CS and keyboard to move a mouse. Of course many more others want to have the ability to move the mouse from one view to the other rather than push a button. I can respect that but for me the biggest scourge of the whole computer set up is the mouse.

I would much rather have my cursor centralised on monitor one and then push a button bringing my PRV into view than I would move the mouse to my second monitor. i.e. bring the view to the mouse not move the mouse to the view. I know it's probably never going to happen but if I could chuck my mouse away tomorrow I'd be much happier.

I even went to a tracker ball for a while but couldn't really get on with it. I look forward to the day when there's a touch pad in-built into every keyboard much like it is into most laptops. (In fact if somebody makes one, please link me).That's mainly because of the way my whole work space is set up but a pushed button is my far preferred way of working than moving a mouse. Even though there are many, many functions where I have to do that. If I can achieve the same without touching the mouse that's going to be my first choice every time.  

That's just me I don't expect anyone to agree of course.......
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