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  • All those that say that X1 has removed things that were in Sonar 8.5.3 please list them. (p.8)
2010/12/25 03:14:24
Rasure
Audio time stretch using percentages (I cant find it anyway!)
2010/12/25 06:07:16
THambrecht
"... I can't find anything taken out of X1 that we had in Sonar 8.5.3..."
- I miss the "global layouts". I must open hundreds of projects made on other computers. Therefor I cannot use the Screensets made with other computerdisplays. They used a template, that is inappropriate with my computer displays. The "import screenshot" is very awkward. 
 
- "C" for splitting clips. The Edit Tool (F8) is now cycling between Trim, Timing, Split. But I want a "direct" shurtcut for "Split".
2010/12/25 10:30:13
John
FastBikerBoy



some of us feel that reorganizing and moving things did remove functionality, others of us feel that everything is still there. To me these are mutually exclusive - either equivalent capability (equivalent in terms of ease of use  and efficiency counts too) is there, or it isn't.


Just goes to show how different we all are because I disagree with this. For example I suggested somewhere that the PRV/TV snap to settings wasn't a problem as there are now screensets. To me a screenset change is a push of a button which is great and IMHO far better than having to take my hand away from my CS and keyboard to move a mouse. Of course many more others want to have the ability to move the mouse from one view to the other rather than push a button. I can respect that but for me the biggest scourge of the whole computer set up is the mouse.

I would much rather have my cursor centralised on monitor one and then push a button bringing my PRV into view than I would move the mouse to my second monitor. i.e. bring the view to the mouse not move the mouse to the view. I know it's probably never going to happen but if I could chuck my mouse away tomorrow I'd be much happier.

I even went to a tracker ball for a while but couldn't really get on with it. I look forward to the day when there's a touch pad in-built into every keyboard much like it is into most laptops. (In fact if somebody makes one, please link me).That's mainly because of the way my whole work space is set up but a pushed button is my far preferred way of working than moving a mouse. Even though there are many, many functions where I have to do that. If I can achieve the same without touching the mouse that's going to be my first choice every time.  

That's just me I don't expect anyone to agree of course.......


FFB where did you get that quote? I can't find it anywhere.
2010/12/25 10:57:26
OldDog
THambrecht
 
- "C" for splitting clips. The Edit Tool (F8) is now cycling between Trim, Timing, Split. But I want a "direct" shurtcut for "Split".
If I am not mistaken you can create your own keybinding to make the split anything you want Scott G. was talking about this in another thread.
 
-Harry

2010/12/25 11:22:55
John
then I found out that with the Smart Tool selected - which I am liking more and more all the time - you can "scissors" any time by holding down Alt. So you split, and then you're back in Smart Tool land. This is way better than the old way because you're not just kicked back into the cursor after splitting, you're back into the Smart Tool.

This is taken from the Anderton thread on Harmony Central. I hope he doesn't mind.
2010/12/25 11:56:58
Lynn
As stated earlier, the save button is missing as are the undo, redo, cut, copy, and paste buttons.  Of course, one can use key bindings for these functions, or use the edit menu, but for those who are physically impaired, key bindings are a pain, and using the edit menu adds yet another click to do a function that used to require only one click.  For me, X1 is still as powerful as previous versions, but no matter how well I get to know it, it will always be a little bit slower until CW addresses some of these issues.  BTW, this is a good topic of conversation to have because I believe it can and should get CW's attention.
All the best,
Lynn
2010/12/25 11:57:19
Eotm
Menu customization is gone. I used it to set up more logical keyboard accelerators on right-click menus.

Visual indication of the auto crossfade status is gone.

Visual indication of the new project sample rate settings when no project is loaded is gone.

Polarity invert is gone from the track view, it's now in the inspector which is a usability step back for me--so ease of working is gone.

Many midi controls are gone from the track view and are now in the inspector, which is a usability step back.

Much of color customization is gone.

FX bins are narrower, showing less information. So information is gone.

Track View I/Os show less information.

From my point of view, while there are lots of terrific new features, and lots of old features are re-worked to work better, lots of items --the little things, the polish, the minor things that make using the program just a bit easier-- are gone or made just a bit more difficult.

Out of the box, I'll agree that Sonar 8.5 and earlier versions had a cluttered, overwhelming appearance. But I was able to customize it into something very streamlined for how I work. X1 has lost a lot of that customizability.

I was talking about this with one of our usability designers where I work--a game company.  I brought up my initial 8.5.3 normal template and then my best-of-my-ability X1 template. I pointed out all the various little differences and she agreed that X1 is a step backwards in those areas.  I also pointed out lots of the terrific new features that are better in X1 like smart tool automation handling.  From a purely graphical, informational, usability perspective, X1 has lost a lot.  It's very frustrating to me.
2010/12/25 12:06:25
John
Lynn and Eotn; I believe that some of the things that you are missing are going to be put back in some form or another in either a patch or in a new version. Brandon and other CW people have been clear on that. CW is not finished with X1.

X1 is hardly perfect but it is no where as bad as many say it is.
2010/12/25 12:40:39
mrfitz
John



X1 is hardly perfect but it is no where as bad as many say it is.


John, do you have X1?
2010/12/25 12:43:00
John
Nope. I will soon though.
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