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  • VIDEO by Danny Danzi featuring Transient Shaper: (p.8)
2013/03/06 08:45:28
dcumpian
redbarchetta


Nice, for the foreseeable future, I plan on sticking with the Cake stuff. In fact, I just purchased the extr Pro Channel plugs that don't come with X2 producer.   I got into this to have the ability to make and record my own music. I guess if I ever get to the point where I need to create something that is radio ready I'll start looking at high end plugins. 

I'm sure out of the box will get me quite far for a while.  I hope.

Hey Red,
 
You don't have to go too crazy to get some really great plugins. I would recommend the Waves Platinum bundle to get your mastering stuff pretty much covered. For special effects, I've found the PSP plugs to be very musical and easy to setup. That's not to say that I don't have others on my wish list, but you can get quite a polished mix just using the stock plugins and the Waves stuff.
 
It takes a lot longer to actually learn to hear what some of these plugins are doing, especially in a full mix, than it takes to learn what all the button do.
 
Regards,
Dan
 
2013/03/06 08:48:29
dcumpian
Danny,

Thanks for the videos! Great job!

Regards,
Dan
2013/03/06 13:22:28
Danny Danzi
Hahaha Chuck...too funny, thanks man! I believe since you have the urls that you can save them to your favorites on Youtube. I didn't make them public because I really wanted to just keep them for our little group. I'm not trying to become popular, start any controversy or make anyone think I'm something that I'm not...so I just keep them as unlisted. I'll keep them up there so if you ever need me to repost a link, it's not a problem. :)

-Danny
2013/03/06 15:31:48
Noisy Neighbour


Danny, 

Thanx a lot for this eye opener on the TS64 !
Your input on this great forum is highly appreciated here. 


Best regards from the european continent ; ) 


Daniel
2013/03/06 15:36:09
Danny Danzi
Noisy Neighbour


Danny, 

Thanx a lot for this eye opener on the TS64 !
Your input on this great forum is highly appreciated here. 


Best regards from the european continent ; ) 


Daniel


Cheers Daniel, thanks so much! :)
2013/03/06 18:58:21
Combo
This Danny bloke ,  he shares so much knowledge on here, I admit I tend to just lurk and hoover it all up so it's well past time to add my two penn'orth and say many thanks. The guitar playing's not too shabby either.
2013/03/06 19:19:19
ChuckC
What a difference that tool can make dude! For drums... WOW. the TS-64, to shape them and control decay (kind of like a gate as you said),a nice EQ, & good compressor settings and BAM! I can have them hitting harder than Mike Tyson in no time. I am stoked. Oh, and I also used it to tame the pick sound on some bass harmonics in the same song. This was like getting a new car for Christmas. I am going to drive it(as needed of course)til the wheels fall off.
2013/03/06 21:05:28
maximumpower
Danny Danzi


Ok this video will probably get lost in the posts here, but it's just a quickie to show you a few other cool things. Most of you will be familiar with this stuff, but a few may not.

Warning: extreme, frustrated, political lyrics ahead. No cursing though, so no worries. :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zetJ7_Gh8U

This should answer a few of your questions, Maximumpower. But if the track template thing isn't quite your bag, you can always do what I said in my last post. Create a preset that works well on a snare, kick, tom etc, save it as "max snare" or whatever you want to call it, and you can just fire up that preset and then tweak it accordingly if you decide to use it on another snare or something. Starting points are always good especially if you use a lot of the same instrumentation. This is where the track template thing can really help. Enjoy! :)

-Danny

Awesome! Thank you so much for taking the time to do this! 

I wasn't think about saving presets or even track templates. I think I like the templates idea better I will have to try both. When I was asking the question, I was thinking you would save the processed drums as a new drum set but I like the template idea. That is cool. Is there only one template active at a time? I should experiment more lol

The song in the video is really cool. I can't wait to here the final product. My son particularly liked the layered vocals.

Thanks
2013/03/07 02:49:36
Danny Danzi
Combo: you're too kind, thanks for that and the guitar compliment. :) Come out of lurk mode and hang with us...always great to see lurkers taking part as well as making new friends. :)

Chuck: I know, it's a killer little tool. You just have to watch you don't go too nuts with it or can really mess things up too. :)

max: Not a problem bro, I figured the video may be better than typing it out. This way you could see some of it in action.

No, you can have as many templates active as your pc can handle depending on what's included in them. When you saw me switching, both track templates were active...but because I only had one midi track, it could only be sent to one template/module at a time. If I would have cloned the midi track, one midi out could have been sent to Superior, the other midi out could have been sent to Kontakt.

This is why I brought up 64 bit Sonar. In 32 bit where I was, you're limited with the amount of modules, plugs and templates you can bring in. (again, depending on what's in them) In 64, the limit is your ram and cpu/computer. I can still bring in quite a few modules in 32 bit Sonar, but not like I can with 64. I just wish I liked 64 more...but I have issues with it sometimes, so I stay in 32 and only use 64 when I absolutely have to.

Track Templates can be anything you want. You don't have to just make them with drum modules. They could be guitar track settings with effects and eq's from another project that don't contain any drum modules or transient plugs etc. You could also save an entire project template so that each time you open Sonar, everything is already set up to go on every track. Drivers set on each track, midi channels set on each track...anything you want really. I have a video on my site that talks about them. I'll share a link to it in a sec.

Before you do, keep in mind that Project Templates and Track Templates are sort of different. Not much different, but I'll explain as both do pretty much the same things.

In a project template, we can set up an entire project and literally "save as project template" which is what you'll see in the video. That means...the entire project. It can be drum modules, synths, effects, midi settings, audio settings, pans all ready to go....it's limitless. Perfect example for you.

Say you just finished a project. To you, this project was the best song you had ever done mix wise. Say you would like to use everything you used in this project on another song...which is what you SHOULD do when you are recording an album to keep things consistent. So you want to use everything in this project in the next project, but you know it would take you days to copy it all. So here's how you'd do it.

Delete all audio and midi data from each track. All automation as well. From there, save as, give it a name and in the drop-down box that pops up, select template. Once this is done, this template will appear in your Sonar menu in "quick start" project menu and when you load it, everything will be exactly as you left it only all the audio and midi data will be gone and you can just start recording your new song now and your sounds will be similar as long as you use the same instruments and approach. See the vid here:

http://dannydanzi.com/dannydanziPHP/recles/files/SampleVidTemplates.wmv

Now track template, though similar, allow us to create tracks instead of an entire project. You may like the drum sound you came up with...so you save just the drums and call it "max drums". So when you click it, it opens like what you saw on my screen in the recent video I showed you with the two drum track templates. You may want guitar tracks saved because you did a 6-guitar layer and loved the outcome. So you could save a "max layer guitar" track template that would have all the tracks, effects, pans, fader and any other setting in there and it could be recalled any time. It can even be loaded into any project you work on.

The key though, is to NOT save project or track templates with audio or midi data. All you want is the shell of the project if you are saving a project template, and for tracks, all you want are the tracks per instrument that you want to save, understand? Not to make this confusing...but they both almost do the same thing, but your save location for track templates would be different than project templates.

But you COULD save an entire project of tracks and make it a track template. No one does that though...so don't let it confuse you. I'm just telling you this because they are really similar. Read up on them a little and you'll see what I mean. And check out that video on my site and you'll see what I do for project templates as opposed to last vid you saw on track templates.

Hope I didn't totally cornfuse you. :) Thanks for the kind words brother and tell your son I said thanks. Still a long way to go on my stuff. That was a pre-pro test thing just for us to lock in on the arrangment. Pre-pro to us means "ok, we got the arrangement and like what we did...now it's time to retrack it." LOL! I have a whole log of instrument settings I keep so I know what I want to use.

We got nearly the entire album done...but will be re-recording it from the ground up. The test run to go through it all and make changes is very important. Sometimes I do 2 (or even 4 uggh) complete test runs before I settle on going for the full recording. Tedious and a bit painful for my guys, but it's how I like to work things. So it may wind up sounding quite different once we get to the full print. It really works well though. I'll give you a little sample of what I mean.

I recorded this demo in 1999: http://www.dannydanzi.com/downloads/Eternity.mp3 (painful I know...but it served its purpose lol)

After 4 total redo's of the album lol, it turned into this by 2004: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/4909348/Eternity.mp3 (ok, a little less painful but much better to my ears lol)

A bit more modern without being as effected, real drums...total make-over of the same idea. So this is why pre-pro is so important to me. Just figured I'd share that because well....I don't share much of my music on here and it's nice once in a while despite the bashings I'll probably get. :) Anyway, keep me posted on how you make out with this stuff brother.

-Danny
2013/03/07 10:51:26
michaelhanson
Danny,

The "Not Responding" message always makes me do a double take and then start crossing my fingers as well.  Ha!  It does that all of the time though, so it must be in a pause or pulling info type state when it does that.  I have never had a crash when I see it.

Great video and very timely on Track Templates.  I just started really experimenting with them about 2-3 weeks ago.  I started simple with Bass guitar and started working them into my recent project to see how they worked.  Very cool and a big time saver.  Track Templates will probably change the way I do Project Templates.  Project Templates will become more....just a basic starting point layout of how things are routed.  I will pull in a Track Template everytime I am about to add another instrument.

I have mentioned this before, but you have a way of teaching that just really translates to the common guy.  If you had n't made a career in Music, I could easily see you as a trainer in another field.

I am trying to figure out a way of tagging these videos so that I can find them again and review when I am in the heat of the battle.  I don't want to rely on a Sonar Search with the current forum software...I just don't have much luck with it.  Google works better.

Anyway, thanks again.  As I mentioned in that last PM, I have advanced sooooo, much from your teachings in the last 2 years. I've come a long way for a weekend hacker.
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