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  • Reflection Filters. (p.2)
2013/03/08 15:30:40
Brando
chefmike8888



I have a 25 lb barbell at the base of my boom stand to keep it from tipping.



Excellent idea.


Mike
Until you stub your toe on it. Good way to perfect a Black Metal Death Growl.

2013/03/08 15:47:31
emwhy
Ha! Notice I said barbell, not dumb bell! If you move the mic stand around my studio 10 times per arm you don't have to do any arm curls a the gym.
2013/03/08 16:36:39
Danny Danzi
chefmike8888


Not sure which forum category this falls into so why not post it in the busiest one?

Are any of you using a reflection filter for your vocal recording?
If so do they actually work?

I have an untreated space and was looking at a few and noticed that they range from $100-$400.

I've read some nice reviews on THIS ONE and was wondering if there really is that much of a difference to warrant spending the extra money.


Thanks.


Mike 

Hi Mike,
 
I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say things that will probably make everyone in this thread hate me. But I just have to share the experience.
 
First off, before you buy anything else, you seriously need to come hang out with me. I think we can put a lot of these myths to bed once and for all.
 
Secondly, I've never noticed a major difference in these reflection things when you have a good enough mic to capture "the core" of your vocal tone. I mean seriously....when we are doing close mic'ing, how much room are you really getting in the mic? You've seen some of my videos and heard my voice. That mic prints exactly what you hear and there are no room issues to worry about.
 
We can do so many cool tricks with impules if you need a "reflective" sound or an ambience. I mean seriously bro, how screwed up could your room be to where you would need something like this? I could see if it sounded like a bathroom or something...or the little room or office had some reflective tones. But even there, at a close mic position, you are not going to hear that stuff unless you solo up the track....and even there, I sincerely do NOT believe it will be anything that will ruin a track or be heard with the rest of the music. Sure, it may be a little more direct sounding....but don't we WANT a little breathing on our vocals anyway so they don't sound like a dude with a voice like God doing radio ads?
 
I've recorded in so many different rooms using so many different mic's....no room I have ever used caused a problem for vocals to where the track was un-useable due to room reflections. I just personally think this is another one of those hype situations for the most part, but could really be useful in a situation where a room MAY have an impact. But still...think about what sort of room would have to be involved to do that. Mark my words...you buy this thing and the improvement will NOT be worth $300.
 
Use that $300 to drive up and come see me and hang for a weekend. I promise you'll get more out of it than the admission price. :) Don't get me wrong, it's awesome for up close and intimate vocals and you will hear a difference. Just not a $300 difference in my humble opinion. I like the natural sound of a room while choosing the right mic for the vocalist and allowing things to materialize as they will. But do what you think is best and try it brother. A helpful tool in certain situations, but definitely not a necessity for me. I have two of them at my studio....we rarely use them these days because we like the sound of our vocal room in all its glory better. Sometimes we even track people in the control room which gives them a different sound of course...but that's the beauty of it...the room itself....flaws and all. :)
 
-Danny
2013/03/08 16:42:57
cryophonik
joeb1cannoli


  Make sure that you have a strong mic stand. The SE is heavy. There is tip from Sound on Sound on setting it up differently from SE's instructions. This method helps it to balance on the stand better.

I posted my solution for the SE years ago at the following thread and I still use it:


http://forum.cakewalk.com...39&mpage=1#1059939


Unfortunately, the images are gone, but you'll get the point.  Also has a link to the SOS page.
2013/03/08 16:47:53
cryophonik
Danny Danzi

Hi Mike,
 
I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say things that will probably make everyone in this thread hate me. 


I hate you Danny! 
2013/03/08 18:38:21
bitflipper
This is one thing Danny and I agree on completely. There are better things to spend 300 bucks on. A heavy winter overcoat slung over a boom stand will do as much, and is multi-purpose to boot.
2013/03/08 18:52:43
Danny Danzi
cryophonik


Danny Danzi

Hi Mike,

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say things that will probably make everyone in this thread hate me. 


I hate you Danny! 

You so do not! Even if that smile wasn't there, I'd not buy into it cryo! LOL! :) You lub me...even when you may not agree with me. Hahahaha!
 
-Danny
2013/03/08 21:50:01
Paul P
bitflipper : "This is one thing Danny and I agree on completely. There are better things to spend 300 bucks on. A heavy winter overcoat slung over a boom stand will do as much, and is multi-purpose to boot."

Either of these might be ok if you wispering into a mic close up, but if you signing with any kind of involvement you're going to activate your lousy room and it won't be nice.

My daughter gave me some track she'd done in her room and after I'd notched out all the garbage there wasn't anything left :-)
2013/03/08 22:18:31
Jeff Evans
If you sing with any kind of involvement you will be turning the mic pre gain way down too so then although you may be activating the room you still won't hear it either because of the fact your mic gain has just been dropped considerably. The louder the singer the better it could also be argued.

Your daughter did not make a good recording in her room obviously Paul P. She was standing way too far back and had the gain cranked up and that is why it was what it was in the end. If it was a 58 she should have been touching the mic with her lips. If it was a decent condenser than she should have had a pop filter set up an inch from the mic and she should have been an inch from the pop filter. No room then left.

I recently recorded a pop band completely live and the vocalist did the tracks live. I had a PA blasting in the room as well! She was up very close to a 58 ie touching it. Got a fab vocal track with virtually zero spill on it. 


2013/03/08 22:34:01
Paul P
Jeff, you (and Danny) obviously know what you're talking about so I'll take you on your word even though it doesn't seem intuitively obvious to me. I can most definitely hear the room in my daughter's recordings but I'll see what kind of difference I can get if I tell her to eat her SM58.

I don't see how you can prevent modes affecting the pressure right at the microphone when they're affecting the air everywhere else.
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