godparticle


Bottom line is that no one in their right mind is gonna spend a month trying to learn a DAW that might not be the appropriate one, that should be obvious.

Why not? People quit college 2 years into a degree because they realize they're on the wrong path. People try out new careers that may or may not work out for them. People put months into a relationship and then come to the conclusion that they're incompatible with the other person. I'm afraid that's life....you speculate to accumulate. Anyway, I'm sure you don't have to "learn a DAW." You just have to play around with it for a while. Do what I always do, start a test project and see how far you get with it. That's what I did with the Sonar demo. I start out by recording and editing some audio. You should get a feel for that within a couple of hours tops. Then load a VSTi and try some MIDI. Before you know it you have the seeds of a tune started, and your desire to take it somewhere necessitates the learning of a few more key techniques. 


Within a day of installing the Sonar demo I had the beginnings of a tune up and running. And since I usually mix a little "on the fly," by the second day I'd learned the basics of the ProChannel. I would say that within a week I had the basics of interface and MIDI setup, loading softsynths, editing in the piano roll, the basics of the step sequencer, using the console and the ProChannels, manipulating clips etc. By no means had I really "learned" all this stuff thoroughly - I'd just gotten the gist of it to the point where I could get a feel of Sonar's workflow and methods. If you've used other DAW's before - which I'm sure you have - then you'll learn the basics in no time, just enough to evaluate the program against another one. 


For me, coming from Pro Tools, I really appreciated how much better Sonar was at most things. I decided it was for me within less than 2 weeks. And by that time, I had a full-on tune in the works that I wanted to finish in Sonar. Of course if I decided to go with another program, I could have exported the MIDI and audio and made notes of my instruments and effects etc so that I could get it up and running in another program. But that wasn't necessary. 


The thing is, in the space of a week's worth of fishing for answers on forums (which are going to be based on subjective experience anyway and may not apply to you), you could get the basics of two DAW's down enough to compare the two. I would just bite the bullet and go for it. You're looking for a DAW that is hopefully going to last a lifetime (a good few years at least). If you were looking for a girl to spend the rest of your life with, you'd expect to take more than a month to evaluate which girl was right for you. So what's the difference with a DAW, which you're probably going to spend more time with anyway 

Sorry to hi-jack, but -

@chuckebaby - I checked out your youtube X2 videos - nice job.  You've gotta do a little self-promotion thread, otherwise this post will disappear into the coffehouse 

Great production value.


In the "connecting a drum machine to SD3" video - can I assume that if you play a pattern from the Alesis, that the MIDI is transmitted to Sonar?


I've always thought about picking up or borrowing someone's drum machine, and "mining" all the beats from it.

Jeff Evans


. Is there a Cubase demo? Why not give that a shot.

Well I can think of one reason, the demo is not free. I checked their site and even the trial verson requires you to buy an eLicenser dongle. I am not totally anti-dongle, I use them a lot for non-music related software at work, but having to buy a dongle just to trial a demo???????????????

pbognar


Sorry to hi-jack, but -

@chuckebaby - I checked out your youtube X2 videos - nice job.  You've gotta do a little self-promotion thread, otherwise this post will disappear into the coffehouse 

Great production value.


In the "connecting a drum machine to SD3" video - can I assume that if you play a pattern from the Alesis, that the MIDI is transmitted to Sonar?


I've always thought about picking up or borrowing someone's drum machine, and "mining" all the beats from it.

you are correct sir.
 
got another vid coming out in about 5 minutes on midi editing using a keyboard this time with studio drums for some of the newer users.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k83UVo1OiKA 
ive made these videos based on what people were asking for and within the last week or so ive noticed a lof of users asking for help hooking up there keyboard to use as a triggering device.
 
thank you for the kind words sir.  :)

Glyn Barnes

Jeff Evans


. Is there a Cubase demo? Why not give that a shot.

Well I can think of one reason, the demo is not free. I checked their site and even the trial verson requires you to buy an eLicenser dongle. I am not totally anti-dongle, I use them a lot for non-music related software at work, but having to buy a dongle just to trial a demo???????????????

I received a promo copy of cubase some 2 years ago and rather than buy the elisencer I emailed customer support and there is a way(they instructed me) to make a hard license they call it.
its basically a file that takes the place of the elicenser.
probablt wont work on full version,i don't know,but it does for demos and LE versions he told me.

there is a cubase demo, for 30 days, gonna have to buy my upgrade to 7, sonar and cubase are my 2 babes, love them to death

Any opinions about which has the best workflow and which is overall easier to use between S1 and Sonar?? (How many times do i have to ask this one terrifyingly simple question?) 

I don't need advice to download the damn things, i can decide that myself, don't you think i would have done that already IF THAT'S WHAT I FELT NEEDED TO BE DONE, I just asked for some fu_king 'opinions' people, about the differences between S1 and Sonar. What part of that don't you understand???

If you don't know, don't answer, and stop using this thread to rack-up your post count. I am only interested in answers from people who have USED BOTH, the rest of you can stay away, i'm not interested in what you have to say, OK?? SHEESH!

I think you are more interested in testing forum software than bothering to test the music software.. not flogging cheap kitchens or DVD converters are ya ? LOL

What was the question again? I've forgotten.

Chregg


there is a cubase demo, for 30 days, gonna have to buy my upgrade to 7, sonar and cubase are my 2 babes, love them to death

I agree, Cubase has some features that are pretty cool, my good friend uses it and ii use sonar, we've have been trying to convert one another for years now...lol
he's showed me a lot of cool stuff on Cubase, but he agrees the pro channel is a big selling feature about sonar X series.