godparticle


I was banned after my first entry into the Cakewalk forums (for one month), so here i am again. 

I await the outcome of Sonar X2B. I hope there will be a significant improvement in the bug situation. I still haven't committed to any of the major DAWs yet, but i know that none of them currently offer the equivalent of the Pro-console. That is the biggy for me, the option to have the sound of three different high-end consoles is hard to resist, but if there are significant complaints after the release of 2B, then i'm gone for good.

I'm morbidly fascinated. If you haven't "Committed" to any of the DAWs yet how do know about the "bug" situation in any of them? If you are judging by internet forums on how good a DAW is good luck. You won't get a balanced view there from one side or the other, on any of them.

There are unfortunately bugs in just about all software but there are none that should stop you working in Sonar and I doubt there'll be any that stop you working in any of the others either.

I've suggested this before in some of your other posts. Try the demos, pick one that feels right for you and then learn it. I'll bet that all of the major DAWs will have far more features and be far more capable than you'll ever need.

I had some major issues with X2, X1 worked great for me. The folks here in the forum pointed out a few things, I took their advise and now X2 is working FANTASTICALY (is that even a word? if not then it should be!). There are still a couple of minor bugs that don't even bother me anymore, just work around them for now, they certainly don't stop me or even slow me down much. I also built this computer especially for sonar, perhaps I did not go the level of the guys from Boston, but it is working great! I admit I was a bit intimidated by X1 when I first opened it up. It appeared to be much differrent from Sonar 5 (which is what I used till X1). After a couple of hours I was moving right along at a fast pace. All of the functions are still there, plus several. I have a good bud who is a pro tools guy, he came over and was drewling over Sonar and how well it works and the fact that it is 64 bit.  For the last 2 months I ask him hows it going, same answer, still tracking down problems with the computer and protools. I have also helped a few friends get started with recording, I suggest Sonar but they opted for Reaper. So I learned to use Reaper and I can't belive they chose that over Sonar. Had a free version of Cubase that came with an iterface I purchased a few years ago. I took a look at it and again, perhaps I am biased, but Cubase seemed complicated and hard to use, was not intuitive to me. Good Luck with it!

bandso

For some unknown reason I have seemed to have hit the lottery when it comes to having sonar work right. All of the versions, all of the patches, and all of the quick fix just seem to work properly with my little studio computer.

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Much the same here. X2 (with the hotfix but not with X2a patch) was running fine on my old Vista DAW (an "off the shelf" gaming PC from Mesh with the onboard sound disabled, initally an ESI Juli@ card, and later a Roland Quad Capture and a couple of extra disk drives), ok there were a few bugs and annoyances but nothing I could not work around with a minimal amount of effort, and no X2 crashes.
 
On the old DAW the only serious crashes I experienced in 4 years were down to a failing hard drive. Prior to getting a Roland Quad Capture my ESI Juli@ drivers would crash occasionally for example if I left the stand-alone version of Kontakt open and launched Sonar.
 
The new one is a custom build for DAW specialists Scan and so far the only real problem has been with IK Multimedia authorization manager, and no matter how hard you try you can't pin that one on Sonar.
 
X2A will have bugs, but there has been nothing that stops me working so far. I am certainly not seeing stability problems.
 
I think this is the experience of most users and I tend to think you have to be unlucky to get a unstable system, rather than luck to get a stable one.

Jeff Evans


No new program is difficult to learn. People have a total misconception on this. The human brain is rather amazing. It is as simple as stop using the program you have been using and start using the program you are going to use. You go the website and read all the stuff on what it does, you read all the SOS reviews, get a few Groove 3 videos and you are well under way. Remember most DAW's are doing exactly the same thing conceptually.

Other programs like Ableton or FL Studio might take a little getting used to but even so it is still easy. They say the program that has the hardest learning curve is Magix Samplitude. Cubase is not difficult to use at all.

I switched from Sonar to Studio One and had it down in days. Once familiar you will totally forget your old program. I cannot even use Sonar now. But if I was to go back I am sure I would have it down again in no time. Some DAW's do make it easier to switch though as they can be very intuitive. Others like Samplitude are not so intuitive. 

I find samplitude very easy and intuitive..  I dl'd the demo sometime last year, and I forget why I passed on it, but the setup looked great and I totally, "got it," in two seconds.

Linear Phase

Jeff Evans


No new program is difficult to learn. People have a total misconception on this. The human brain is rather amazing. It is as simple as stop using the program you have been using and start using the program you are going to use. You go the website and read all the stuff on what it does, you read all the SOS reviews, get a few Groove 3 videos and you are well under way. Remember most DAW's are doing exactly the same thing conceptually.

Other programs like Ableton or FL Studio might take a little getting used to but even so it is still easy. They say the program that has the hardest learning curve is Magix Samplitude. Cubase is not difficult to use at all.

I switched from Sonar to Studio One and had it down in days. Once familiar you will totally forget your old program. I cannot even use Sonar now. But if I was to go back I am sure I would have it down again in no time. Some DAW's do make it easier to switch though as they can be very intuitive. Others like Samplitude are not so intuitive. 

I find samplitude very easy and intuitive..  I dl'd the demo sometime last year, and I forget why I passed on it, but the setup looked great and I totally, "got it," in two seconds.

You know what I think the problem is Linear? Not really learning the program...but learning the terminology the others use as well as WHERE they put things. That was my biggest beef with X1. Everything was so different and not where I was used to it being, THAT was really the learning curve for me. I found the same things in Reaper, Logic, Cubase, Nuendo and PT. They use different terms of the same things we know and they put them in different place.
 
I soooo hate hunting around for things. I can't even tell you how sick it makes me. I shelved X1 for months because of it. I just hated that I was forced to learn a DAW that I had been using since Cake 4.0 on floppy disks. At the end of my learning curve...as Jeff has said, it wasn't really "learning" or "hard" at all. It was just that things were in different spots. It's been the same with the others in my experience. However....to me, Logic broke the mold. That one takes everyone some time to get used to. The earlier versions were even worse....but it's definitely the most difficult to get down in my opinion.
 
-Danny

Hi all,i don't wanna enter in technics stuff but i can say one thing,Cubase 7 is really........ugly!!!
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Well, I work a lot in Nuendo at work (not my choice of software) and got to play around with Cubase 7 a little while ago.

Besides a good number of bugs in it, it is a pretty cool upgrade. BUT, my problem with it is that it feels old! Just like Nuendo does to me. Ugly or pretty, I dunno. Clunky and strangely limited in areas. In other areas it blossoms.

I still prefer Sonar. But Cubase will be good for those who prefer that old school way of laying out things, once the bugs have been ironed out.

There's a demo of C7 available now...

godparticle back with a vengeance!! "Cubase is a very difficult program to use. You have to know it, you can't learn it quick and easy like Sonar." thats not true that, same learning curve mate, but thats only my opinion LP ;)

Haven't we been through this before? Deja Vu all over again!