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2013/03/08 10:46:19
redbarchetta
dcumpian

2) Your monitors may not be reproducing enough low end to hear it while you are mixing.

3) A sub may help, but it will still take lots of practice to be able to hear what a mix that will translate well sounds like in your mixing environment.

Regards,
Dan

Hi Dan, that is exactly the problem for me. The monitors are just not able to reproduce those frequencies, at least not in my room which I don't have much control over. Would never fly past the family.  So, I've got to find another way to handle it. 
2013/03/08 10:49:10
redbarchetta
Pragi


Hi,redbarchetta,

What I do to work arround this flaw is ,that I hear a reference mix of a very good 
mixed professionel song,and than mixing so long till my song sounds nearly or equal to this reference song.

Thanks, that's a great tip!
2013/03/08 12:19:51
sharke
+1 to the reference track. 

I mix mainly on a good pair of headphones through a VRM box. And no matter how good it sounds through the VRM simulations, there will be times when I listen through my crappy Bose computer speakers and it just seems so boomy in the bass and muddy in the low-mids. So then I listen to a mix that I know is excellent, maybe one of Donald Fagen's solo albums. And although it's obviously way better than my mix, I do notice a similar kind of boominess and muddiness. I have thereby learned something about the Bose's, and that I'm chasing rainbows trying to get my mix to sound perfect on them. I could seriously cut those lower mids to almost nothing, but then I'd just have a mix that sounded brittle on everything else. 

So it's a compromise. You have to become intimately familiar with all of your speakers and headphones, and check the mix on as many systems as possible. This is where something like the VRM box comes into its own. If I mix something on headphones without the VRM box, I can get it sounding absolutely fantastic and then when I listen to it through the VRM box it's clear I have way too much low end and mud. So I adjust the frequencies until it sounds good through the VRM, and then I worry that it's going to sound thin through raw headphones again. It does at first, but after a while my ears get used to the new "balance," and it sounds just about right. Your ears take a while to adjust sometimes. Often you will feel so pleased with a mix as heard through one system that you don't believe it could sound good any other way. But there is a happy compromise in which the mix sounds good on all systems, and I guess that's the holy grail of mixing!
2013/03/08 12:38:53
Frostysnake
Hmmm...VMR box...interesting...just now read up on it abit...I might need to look into this...and only 50 bucks...thanks for the mention Sharke!
2013/03/08 13:04:48
redbarchetta
Yeah that does look like a cool little tool to add to the mixing arsenal. 
2013/03/08 13:24:59
Pragi
Sharke,
thanks for reminding me to the vrm box.
Is it really only 50 bucks or so?
Then it´s a no brainer imo.
2013/03/08 13:29:01
Frostysnake
2013/03/08 13:45:02
redbarchetta
So, about headphones, what are people using?  I know some can cost as much as $500, but for my needs that seems a bit extreme.
2013/03/08 13:46:24
Frostysnake
LOL...I have never spent over 60-70 bucks...and I could barely justify that!
2013/03/08 13:57:31
redbarchetta
Yeah?  Shlt, I have a set of vmoda ear buds that cost around $110.  I don't mind spending money on good quality sound and I personally think the vmoda line is the best ear buds I've ever heard. 
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