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2013/03/05 21:06:40
Frostysnake
ok...I'd like to be able to map drums to my A-Pro 800 and use it for triggering...is this possible?
2013/03/05 21:10:33
RobertB
Not exactly. The A-Pro is strictly an input device. Mapping to it serves no purpose.
It's all about signal path.
A-Pro>MIDI Track>Drum Map>Synth>Master Bus>Audio Out.

You can trigger the drums with the A-Pro. It has to be selected as the input to your MIDI track associated with the drum synth.
2013/03/05 21:16:01
chuckebaby
Frostysnake


ok...I'd like to be able to map drums to my A-Pro 800 and use it for triggering...is this possible?
you can do that no probs buddy..
 
scott and robert both have you on the right track here.   :)
 
that thrad i posted a link to(the first post in that thread there is a link)
if you follow that it will take you step by step in setting up a new drum map for your A-pro-800.
 
so wont my video when it comes out...lol
 
hope im also not stepping on anyones toes here,i know when im giving advise to someone and somebody else jumps in trying to re-invent the wheel or so to speak i find it rude...so sorry guys  :)
 
im going to bow out of this now because its obvious i thought he was already set up in devices,again.my apologies
2013/03/05 22:09:54
Cactus Music
Right away I was wondering why you were talking "drum Maps", I've never used one in my life. All you need to do is set the Roland as the MIDI ( or USB MIDI) input to a MIDI track and assign the output of that track to a synth that makes drum sounds. Use channel 10. Bang awayand record it,, edit it and so on. . 

Instead of maps you can always highlight and drag drum notes to the sound you want. 
2013/03/05 22:24:22
Frostysnake
Ok...sorry! Had to step out for a bit..will pick back up tomorrow as I have some very good help from you guys to chew on...I can't thank you all enough! ...and Charlie, please wait for it! That review is coming...had a busy week...thanks again!
2013/03/05 22:31:37
Frostysnake
AGAIN...thank you guys soooo much...just from reading what reply's I have missed since I left, the light is juuuuuuuusst starting to shine bit...
2013/03/05 23:52:46
chuckebaby
Frostysnake


Ok...sorry! Had to step out for a bit..will pick back up tomorrow as I have some very good help from you guys to chew on...I can't thank you all enough! ...and Charlie, please wait for it! That review is coming...had a busy week...thanks again!
no probs frosty,take yourtime buddy.
hope you got this all set up.
 
david,plug your synth in and go to preferences/midi devices.
(like at the begining of my drum machine video(youve seen it,the link is in my sig)
make sure your keyboard is checked under midi devices.
 
go back to track view/insert/soft synth.
choose your synth..session drummer,si drums,exc.
when the synth property page opens,select simple instrument only for right now.
now go to the track your synth just inserted to.
make sure you I/O (input/output) are configured properly.
input should be(your a-pro) output should be(the synth you chose)
you needto make sure input echo is on..dont forget about that.
 
holy cow i was so confused about what you were trying to do here.lol   :)
but its all good now.
 
its just like this video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjZS61Wg-XY
only substitute the drum machine for your A-pro man  :)
 
see i said it,your A pro  :) 
 
2013/03/06 00:01:31
Jeff M.
Yep - the "drum map" maps out the drum vst kit-pieces. You just happen to trigger them with your A-pro 800.

If you use non-GM standard drums - like, for example,  EZDrummer Metal Machine with 7 drums & 12 cymbals, drum maps will make it easier to know what's what. ...which cymbal is this or is this the 1/4 open "edge" or 1/2 open "tip" high hat. When programming drums, the little differences/variations make the track sound more authentic. 

If you end up using something like the Zildjian cymbal Z-pack (which uses BFD Eco), you pretty much need a drum map.
I ended up making a custom kit in Eco to group the cymbal types together (rides, pings, china, crashes, hats), then made a drum map in Sonar to associate that custom setup.
This way I can easily make any variations in a ride-cymbal section with 6 different ride-cymbal-names to choose from ...all right next to each other on the keyboard-controller. 

And with 12 different ways to play the hats, it helps to have all those grouped together and displayed in the drum map rather than guessing what keyboard-key plays which one. 



  
2013/03/06 05:21:57
Bristol_Jonesey
The one downside to using Drum Maps is that you lose the connectivity when trying to solo/mute an individual kit piece - you'll need to solo the Midi track in addition to the kit piece you're interested in.

The upside of course is that the Drum Map gives you Mute/Solo buttons per mapped note


2013/03/06 20:05:10
Frostysnake
I don't know where my head has been this week, but for some crazy reason I thought drum maps had something to do with the actual SOUNDS for the drums...I thought that this was strange and I think I confused myself as to their purpose...which I still don't see a benefit...so maybe help me out here. I do know how to setup, say SD3 with multi outs and trigger it with my DR-880...where would a drum map be helpful...maybe they aren't for someone who has a descent drum machine?? Just guessing...or am I off here? Thoughts??
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