• SONAR
  • Pro Tools HD "stone age" VS any other DAW. [:D] (p.5)
2013/03/02 01:15:40
xabiton
sharke


xabiton


sharke


xabiton


Freddie H


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=twcrcv-vCTw#! 




+ 15years after with floating points...How many years will it take before they have x64 support? 30 years?

Pro Tools 11 is supposed to be out this year and is supposed to be entirely 64 bit. I welcome the idea

I pity the fools early adopters who will be pinning their hopes and $$$'s on a complete rewrite of the Pro Tools audio engine. 



I don't think anyone is buying Pro Tools for its audio engine at least I would hope not. Buy Pro Tools because it appeals to how you work not because of a spec sheet. 
Yes but at the very least they require stability. Some time ago I read a post in the Avid forum in which someone from Avid chimed in and said that the reason why 64-bit was taking so long was because they were having to rewrite the audio engine from scratch. So it's basically all new code. Bound to have a few problems at first. 

Even software that has been around for a long time has stability problems even if it hasn't been rewritten. Hell let's look at Sonar X1 which still has issues and Cakewalk looked over it and moved on to X2 which introduced more problems. I use Ableton Live now and Live 8 has its issues and they are going to Live 9. Point is everything has bugs at first I wouldn't hold Avid to a standard higher than anyone here is holding Cakewalk and Sonar is known for being buggy but people still love it. I am pretty sure Pro Tools 10 has its issues too. 
2013/03/02 13:06:51
Middleman
sharke


xabiton


Freddie H


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=twcrcv-vCTw#! 




+ 15years after with floating points...How many years will it take before they have x64 support? 30 years?

Pro Tools 11 is supposed to be out this year and is supposed to be entirely 64 bit. I welcome the idea

I pity the fools early adopters who will be pinning their hopes and $$$'s on a complete rewrite of the Pro Tools audio engine. 


Like the X1 owners after 8.5.
2013/03/02 14:37:23
Beepster
Avid might be a little more thorough with their Alpha testing though. I hate to say it but Cakewalk seems to really chince out on that end of things. A lot of chaos around here could have been avoided if they just had a couple of their in house guys go through the manual testing things out methodically and create a bug list for the programmers before release. 
2013/03/02 14:49:28
sharke
The lack of thorough testing in the computer world amazes me sometimes. I've read programming manuals where the freaking example code snippets had bugs in them. 
2013/03/02 15:16:56
Beepster
  @sharke... Yeah, it's pretty darned brutal.  

 That seems to be the world we live in these days. No one takes pride in anything anymore. Throwaway society. I've worked in various professions in my life and always made sure my work was as quality as possible. Many times instead of getting praised by the bosses I'd get crapped all over. The customers loved me though. Shame I never got to branch out on my own. I would have mopped up.

EDIT: Hyperbole removed. 
2013/03/02 15:28:33
sharke
Beepster, I was talking to a guy who designs and manufactures exterior materials for new construction in New York recently. He told me that the current standard of construction when building a condo in New York is that they don't expect it to last more than 10-15 years before major structural upgrades and repairs have to be done. I think the standard of everything is going downhill. 

Here's another story. I still have, back home somewhere, one of the first Marantz CD players from the early 80's. It still works great and is built like a tank, except the tray sometimes gets stuck when opening (to be fair, it got sat on by an overweight persian cat). About 10 years ago, my stepdad bought a CD player for about £100. It sounded great and so I bought one a week later. About a year after he purchased it, the LED display went on my stepdad's. How unlucky, I thought. A week later, the same thing happened to mine as well. To this day I am convinced the devices had a timer in them which disabled the display after a certain time. 

The point is, if these things worked great, we'd never buy a new one or upgrade them. Keeping a program like Sonar with a certain amount of bugs sustains the motive to upgrade because you live in hope that the next release will be "the one" that solves all of your problems. I'm not singling out Cakewalk here, I think they all do it. 
2013/03/02 15:47:43
Beepster
Ya, man. I've worked in both of those fields to an extent and it is all designed to fail. Never worked in software engineering but as an end user obviously the same principles apply. I blame the way they teach business these days. Between business and political philosophy (both of which have become more and more entwined) is why humans as a species cannot get past this crappy way we treat each other and reach a Utopian era (IMO). The hilarious/infuriating part is those that stand to gain the most convince those that stand to lose the most that this is the right path for mankind and allowing any other ideals to take hold will somehow destroy the world. The perfect scam.

But that's probably a little to philosophical for our little techie forum so I'll shut up about that.

On a more on topic note I just started the Groove3 Mixing 101 video series which uses Pro Tools... and oh me oh my... what an ugly looking piece of poop a doop that thing is. 

I'm not usually one to put style before function but I'm certainly glad I don't have to deal with that mess. lol 
2013/03/02 16:20:53
BlixYZ
minus avid or digidesign hardware- i find tracking in PT to be unworkable.  I would probably be a pro tools guy if tracking wasn't so screwy.    
But then again, I'm a latency free- direct monitoring guy, and protools doesn't preserve that route (not even pt10!!)   subsequently, I don't use it much.   I absolutely do enjoy mixing in PT, however.
2013/03/02 16:52:37
xabiton
BlixYZ


minus avid or digidesign hardware- i find tracking in PT to be unworkable.  I would probably be a pro tools guy if tracking wasn't so screwy.    
But then again, I'm a latency free- direct monitoring guy, and protools doesn't preserve that route (not even pt10!!)   subsequently, I don't use it much.   I absolutely do enjoy mixing in PT, however.

idk what happaned but at some point people decided that more was always better rather than quality it became a conversation about quantity. I always thought it was interesting in school growing up they teach us its all about quality and to take our time and then when we get into the real world its all about getting as much done in as little time as possible even if the product is subpar because of it. 
2013/03/02 17:07:45
Paul P
I think we've sacrificed quality for change.

For example, if Cakewalk announced that for 300$ we could either buy a bugfree version of X2 or buy X3, which would we choose ?

I think we've become slaves to change. We get bored too easily. We don't really want to do anything, we just want things done to us.
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