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2013/03/03 08:10:47
BlixYZ
pt has delay compensation, but not automatic delay compensation for all types of plugins.   its only fair that i point out that pt HD does not have the monitoring issues i described, and that is what this thread was originally about
2013/03/03 14:13:17
Middleman
Only the LE and M-powered versions have that problem the full versions of Protools have ADC.

From the PT HD users guide.

'Pro Tools provides automatic Delay Compensation for managing delays from plug-in and hardware inserts, and mixer routing (bussing and sends). With Delay Compensation enabled, Pro Tools maintains phase coherent time alignment between tracks that have plug-ins with differing DSP delays, tracks with different mixing paths, tracks that are split off and recombined within the mixer, and tracks with hardware inserts. To maintain phase coherent time alignment, Delay Compensation should always be enabled during playback and mixing. Delay Compensation should also be used in most recording situations.'

In layman's terms when some plug-ins or external hardware is added into the signal chain of a channel delays can occur between the time the signal enters the item and when it returns to the mix path. This is not the same for every plug-in or piece of hardware and therefore adds varying amounts of delay, in addition those channels with no inserts, either from a plug-in or hardware insert, will have no delay.

What ADC does is correct these delays by calculating the delays and compensating for them automatically. If delays remain in a mix it can affect the phase coherence between tracks. For example imagine you have tracked a drum kit and then afterwards add some compression to toms and compression and reverb to the snare drum. In many cases this will add minor delays to the tom and snare channels so that the other tracks now play ahead, in some cases this will add phase issues.
Pro Tools HD and HD Native have ADC which means that the software makes the corrections to account for this. Pro Tools LE and M Powered do not have this, which means an engineer must first work out the delays induced into tracks through plug-ins and inserts and then make manual adjustments."
2013/03/03 14:37:12
Rain
IIRC, Pro Tools M-Powered 9 had ADC. Not that it matters anymore, anyway.
2013/03/03 16:04:29
aleef
regardless, the OP's anti-Pro Tools crusade, has been really snotty. a while back, he used the term "Pro Fools". he always seems to be telling somebody, what they should be using, and where this thing is going, without any concrete audio proof. he has even went so far to say.. "We here in Europe only use the best" as is if history hasn't proved  that the states keep producing the cutting edge.

like i said before ..Snap out of it man.
2013/03/03 16:09:54
sharke
Middleman


Only the LE and M-powered versions have that problem the full versions of Protools have ADC.

From the PT HD users guide.

'Pro Tools provides automatic Delay Compensation for managing delays from plug-in and hardware inserts, and mixer routing (bussing and sends). With Delay Compensation enabled, Pro Tools maintains phase coherent time alignment between tracks that have plug-ins with differing DSP delays, tracks with different mixing paths, tracks that are split off and recombined within the mixer, and tracks with hardware inserts. To maintain phase coherent time alignment, Delay Compensation should always be enabled during playback and mixing. Delay Compensation should also be used in most recording situations.'

In layman's terms when some plug-ins or external hardware is added into the signal chain of a channel delays can occur between the time the signal enters the item and when it returns to the mix path. This is not the same for every plug-in or piece of hardware and therefore adds varying amounts of delay, in addition those channels with no inserts, either from a plug-in or hardware insert, will have no delay.

What ADC does is correct these delays by calculating the delays and compensating for them automatically. If delays remain in a mix it can affect the phase coherence between tracks. For example imagine you have tracked a drum kit and then afterwards add some compression to toms and compression and reverb to the snare drum. In many cases this will add minor delays to the tom and snare channels so that the other tracks now play ahead, in some cases this will add phase issues.
Pro Tools HD and HD Native have ADC which means that the software makes the corrections to account for this. Pro Tools LE and M Powered do not have this, which means an engineer must first work out the delays induced into tracks through plug-ins and inserts and then make manual adjustments."

I don't know when that manual was written but it's out of date - Pro Tools 9 M-Powered has ADC. 

EDIT: I see Rain got there first! Didn't notice, sorry 
2013/03/03 16:16:41
swamptooth
setting affinity in windows is a two-step process.  the first is in sonar:

in preferences/config file you need to set "enablesetthreadidealprocessor" to false

step two is creating a bat file that will look something like this:

start "sonar 7cpu" /affinity 0xFE "C:\Program Files\Cakewalk\SONAR X2 Producer\SONARPDR.exe"

the affinity option is a hex representation of the processors you want to use converted from a binary number made up of all your cpus.  i have 8 cores on my system so it would be an 8 bit binary mask ie. 11111111 where each digit represents a core.  the cores are read from right to left, so it's laid out like this: core # 76543210 
my start option wants to use cores 1 thru 7, so the binary is 11111110 which converts to hex of FE. 

say you want to use cores 4567, then the binary would be 11110000 and the hex F0 and the resultant start command would be 
start "<YOURSHORTNAMEHERE>" /affinity 0xF0 "C:\Program Files\Cakewalk\SONAR X2 Producer\SONARPDR.exe"


just thot i'd toss that out there if anyone's interested.


2013/03/03 17:38:39
Middleman
sharke


I don't know when that manual was written but it's out of date - Pro Tools 9 M-Powered has ADC. 

EDIT: I see Rain got there first! Didn't notice, sorry 
I pulled that off a search. Very much could be outdated but the fact is that the information and PT has had ADC for sometime yet people keep saying it doesn't.

2013/03/03 17:52:01
Rain
I guess they all just read it on a forum and never bothered to verify. ;)
2013/03/04 01:26:19
carlosagm79
I found that Sonar ( I don't know about Steinberg products, but they should probably have it, just like FL Studio) have a limiter integrated to deal with high level and over-driving, and yeah, Pro tools is very sensitive about digital distortion, you have to put a Waves L2 everywhere to solve the issue..again I'm testing Pro Tools 8 in a powerful Mac, not too much experience...
2013/03/04 01:29:33
Middleman
carlosagm79


I found that Sonar ( I don't know about Steinberg products, but they should probably have it, just like FL Studio) have a limiter integrated to deal with high level and over-driving, and yeah, Pro tools is very sensitive about digital distortion, you have to put a Waves L2 everywhere to solve the issue..again I'm testing Pro Tools 8 in a powerful Mac, not too much experience...


That issue is really irrelevent in any DAW if you are gain staging properly and leaving yourself headroom. Limiters are not required for mixing but they can be a nice controller for high transient things like drum busses.
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