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2013/03/03 11:48:45
Beepster
Just watching a vid and the guy does something really cool on a vocal track. He uses Nectar to essentially make clones of the track then sets a delay which is simple enough but then he applies some kind of pitch altering between these layers making it sound like multiple takes. I'd kind of like to play around with something like that. Does V-Vocal have similar features and if not what other tools would I have in Sonar to accomplish this kind of thing?

Cheers.
2013/03/03 12:00:29
John
Beep Sonar has the tools. You can clone or copy a track to as many tracks as you want. A slight shift in the position plus transpose and EQ and so on can do wonders.

You could put some sort of FX on say the lead such as the Vocal strip to change its character for example. V-Vocal could do some slightly off key stuff for one or two of the copied track. Its bit limitless. 

Its really up to your imagination.   
2013/03/03 12:05:38
Beepster
@John... For sure and I'm learning how to do all this stuff manually but that Nectar Doubler thing is so simple. Would save a lot of time and guesswork. Just though maybe there was a plug within Sonar that might do that kind of thing. I do want to get the Ozone mastering suite at some point but I'm not sure if Nectar is included. Doesn't do me any good right now though because I'm broke.

Oh well. Probably good to get used to doing this kind of thing manually first anyway. Cheers.
2013/03/03 12:07:32
Beepster
Oh and I like the idea of being able to do all that stuff in one track instead of cloning. Looks like you can just choose the amount of doubles then it lets you set the delay, pitch variation and even EQ. Kind of blowing my mind actually.
2013/03/03 12:13:21
Paul P
That's more or less what a chorus does.
2013/03/03 12:27:17
Beepster
Hmm... thanks, Paul. I guess I'll take a poke around at those. Guess I'm just used to guitar chorus effects which are kind of limited but I'd imagine recording based versions would be a little more tweakable. In fact I think I recall seeing some of these parameters on some when I was briefly looking at those a while back. Cheers.
2013/03/03 12:27:37
jb101
Vocal Strip has a doubler.  I'm not convinced how effective it is, but I do use it on backing vocals.
 
I used to use two free ones - ADT and a Martin Eastwood one - the name escapes me.  I'll have a look and post back.
2013/03/03 12:30:32
scook
Here is a snippet from the VX-64 Vocal Strip help file describing the doubler feature

Doubler. The Doubler module creates a duplicate of the original vocal channel, delays it by a few milliseconds and applies slight pitch modulation to add extra character to the vocals.
2013/03/03 12:35:13
STinGA
Scook beat me to it beepster,

I've used it in the past to good effect. Give it a whirl. 
2013/03/03 12:37:05
Bub
I've tried that doubler in the PX strip and I don't care for it. It makes vocals sound too tinny for my taste.

I've found the only way to do it and make it sound good is to not take any shortcuts and do double takes and mix them together.

If you were going to try a technique like you are explaining with Nectar ... I'd just clone the track, use Melda's pitch correction VST (It's free) on the clone and nudge it. V-vocal isn't meant to be used with whole tracks. Only very small edits on just a few notes. The Melda one can be thrown in an FX bin and you can adjust how sensitive it is.

If you don't want the overhead of processing the tracks, just send the tracks to a bus, export the bus, Archive the tracks, and import the bus export.

But ... I know how you feel about free 3rd party VST's ... and I understand.

Good luck.


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