musicroom


This thread is another example of a few people adding drama to this forum daily. Not much to read here anymore. Someone says I like sonar - the handful of love/hate sonar folks jump in and call bs on the op. Then you grab the popcorn and read the rest like a bad re-run of the karate kid #23. The core group that hates on Sonar to the most boring place in a reader's mind is and has driven helpful and interesting people away from the forum. To my amazement, even attacking Craig Anderton from the safety of their big bad keyboard last week. What a travesty!! We are honored to have Craig here to share his deep knowledge of the music industry and recording knowledge. I'm ashamed.

With that said - this type of thread should have been a harmless everyday type thread where someone wanted to share their experience with like minded people. Good luck with the duck dynasty bash sonar for sport folks. Like highway robbers, they lay in wait. Anxious to see a thread such as this one and jump in with their message of being a victim. Hope that is working out for all of you that this applies to.

Boring...

Need I say more... Amen.

John


Whats wrong in thread like this in just saying "good for you OP"?

Do we have to make a smart remark? And do really need to have this many posts debating the merits of the that smart remark?

Yes everyone has a right to express an opinion but do we always have to?

I'm begining to suspect that John is really Yoda sitting behind that keyboard...Too wise as usual.

Yep - I totally agree with musicroom. I have to say I only visit this forum once a week or less (while in the past it was daily), only to flee away as fast as possible after reading something like these threads. Sorry - when people get scared to say something positive about the software that the forum is about, the forum is (in my opinion) simply mentally broken. I am not surprised people are leaving. I is just no more fun posting here, or even do something simple like a casual read..

noynekker


@John . . . while I understand your firm stance on free speech on the forums, don't you at least agree that some of these recent threads
are in need of some moderation by Cakewalk admins ?  Ryan says he has edited for the purpose of cleaning up the language, and insults flying around.

After all . . . I log in here to learn about audio recording and Cakewalk Sonar tips from the Pros that use it, and perhaps occasionally help a new user with what I've learned . . . I really hate to waste time and have to filter through all the bogus threads where people are slinging personal insults.

I guess my vote is for more Cakewalk moderation of threads such as these.

I agree with moderation in all that that implies. I think, as stated, that editing a post is tampering that should not happen. What I suggest is that the moderator contact the poster and ask him/her to edit it themselves and if there is no action from the poster it should be deleted as the very last resort. The offending poster should be banned temporarily and cautioned never to post in that way again when they return.  

Also CW might consider asking a few members to volunteer to moderate with limited powers.

That is simply a suggestion but does work in other forums some better than others I might add.

I totally agree that this forum is about learning and should stay to that purpose. I also think that a debate conducted with respect for the other and to this forum is a great means for members to learn. 

This place should not become a free for all in that members engage in things that violate the TOS. I think if the above suggestion were to happen a quick response could be helpful in stopping posts that are close to violating the TOS and mitigating further conflict. 

I also think that the vast majority of members feel as you do and I think they have a right to come here with your good point in mind.  

 

 

There's an old saying, "Familiarity breeds contempt."

I think that's what you're seeing here.

There's a group of us who have been here a long time who have formed opinions of each other and don't really like each other if we were to be honest, and it's gotten to the point where it just takes one slight underhanded comment to set everyone off.

For example, Stratman70 makes it his mission to slam me every time he sees me posting here. And honestly, I swear to God, I don't even remember why he's upset with me. This last little scuffle we got in to was a continuation of something that happened a long time ago that I don't even remember.

It's not a pleasant experience for me either being on the side you people are putting down in here getting attacked all the time by your group. It makes me a lot more defensive than I should have to be. I feel like I can't come here and discuss legitimate problems I've encountered in the software without being attacked by 'the posse' and made to look like a fool by all of you saying there is something wrong with my system.

It's this constant back and forth that makes this place what it's become.

I try to ignore it the best I can and help anyone I can, but it's just impossible, being a human, to let the constant barrage of attacks against me slide off my back. I'm not Jesus Christ ... I'm not perfect ... and neither is anyone else here.

John

noynekker


@John . . . while I understand your firm stance on free speech on the forums, don't you at least agree that some of these recent threads
are in need of some moderation by Cakewalk admins ?  Ryan says he has edited for the purpose of cleaning up the language, and insults flying around.

After all . . . I log in here to learn about audio recording and Cakewalk Sonar tips from the Pros that use it, and perhaps occasionally help a new user with what I've learned . . . I really hate to waste time and have to filter through all the bogus threads where people are slinging personal insults.

I guess my vote is for more Cakewalk moderation of threads such as these.

I agree with moderation in all that that implies. I think, as stated, that editing a post is tampering that should not happen. What I suggest is that the moderator contact the poster and ask him/her to edit it themselves and if there is no action from the poster it should be deleted as the very last resort. The offending poster should be banned temporarily and cautioned never to post in that way again when they return.  

Also CW might consider asking a few members to volunteer to moderate with limited powers.

That is simply a suggestion but does work in other forums some better than others I might add.

I totally agree that this forum is about learning and should stay to that purpose. I also think that a debate conducted with respect for the other and to this forum is a great means for members to learn. 

This place should not become a free for all in that members engage in things that violate the TOS. I think if the above suggestion were to happen a quick response could be helpful in stopping posts that are close to violating the TOS and mitigating further conflict. 

I also think that the vast majority of members feel as you do and I think they have a right to come here with your good point in mind.  

@John . . . you're here on the forum a lot, and I like your idea of having some more experienced members help moderate these forums, as well as more Cakewalk personal intervention with problem posters, though I do get a sense that Cakewalk seems to generally have a hands off approach to this forum. I think if they had a more active presence here, the focus might stay on the software more.

Of course my vote would be for you to do it (in many ways you are doing it) since you already offer a steadying influence on many threads here, and tend to stay focused on the software subject.
 
 

noynekker

John

noynekker


@John . . . while I understand your firm stance on free speech on the forums, don't you at least agree that some of these recent threads
are in need of some moderation by Cakewalk admins ?  Ryan says he has edited for the purpose of cleaning up the language, and insults flying around.

After all . . . I log in here to learn about audio recording and Cakewalk Sonar tips from the Pros that use it, and perhaps occasionally help a new user with what I've learned . . . I really hate to waste time and have to filter through all the bogus threads where people are slinging personal insults.

I guess my vote is for more Cakewalk moderation of threads such as these.

I agree with moderation in all that that implies. I think, as stated, that editing a post is tampering that should not happen. What I suggest is that the moderator contact the poster and ask him/her to edit it themselves and if there is no action from the poster it should be deleted as the very last resort. The offending poster should be banned temporarily and cautioned never to post in that way again when they return.  

Also CW might consider asking a few members to volunteer to moderate with limited powers.

That is simply a suggestion but does work in other forums some better than others I might add.

I totally agree that this forum is about learning and should stay to that purpose. I also think that a debate conducted with respect for the other and to this forum is a great means for members to learn. 

This place should not become a free for all in that members engage in things that violate the TOS. I think if the above suggestion were to happen a quick response could be helpful in stopping posts that are close to violating the TOS and mitigating further conflict. 

I also think that the vast majority of members feel as you do and I think they have a right to come here with your good point in mind.  

@John . . . you're here on the forum a lot, and I like your idea of having some more experienced members help moderate these forums, as well as more Cakewalk personal intervention with problem posters, though I do get a sense that Cakewalk seems to generally have a hands off approach to this forum. I think if they had a more active presence here, the focus might stay on the software more.

Of course my vote would be for you to do it (in many ways you are doing it) since you already offer a steadying influence on many threads here, and tend to stay focused on the software subject.
 
 

i second that as well,i havent always agreed with john,but i look up to him.
i respect him.
 
he's always kinda kept the peace here.
 
He's got my vote.
 

Freddie H


Edited for TOS violation. 


Please review the Terms of Service http://forum.cakewalk.com/tos.aspx

It must been when I said, ”Have a great weekend” that made me trip TOS.  
  


 
Best Regards
Freddie

I vote to just delete the entire thread that is deemed to contain objectionable material.

Including this one.

Freddie H

Freddie H

Edited for TOS violation. 

Please review the Terms of Service http://forum.cakewalk.com/tos.aspx

It must been when I said, ”Have a great weekend” that made me trip TOS.

No. It was when you called me a 4 letter derogatory word that violated the TOS. And you know that ... but you still come back here and go off like you did nothing and play the innocent victim. You should have been banned over it, so maybe you're in better with the 'admin' than you claim to be below.

When at it…. As you notice I’m only GOLD MEMBER but I should been PLATINUM MEMBER years ago.
I have notice and I have my s-u-s-p-i-c-o-n that “SOMEONE” continuously deleting all my old threads and reply so my ranking never can get up? Actually my number gets less sometime everyday without me do any posting or anything?
So my question is; are the FORUM DATA deleted overtime or is it “someone” that abuse his power continuously delete my post and threads? I suggest that “SOMEONE” can take a good look in the TOS!
 
I have done many positive and helpful threads here at this community; one that you all might perhaps remember was called “A helpful thread about SONAR!” Six or eight pages long about helpful tricks how to use SONAR. Many more then me like John, Jose, Scott and many other participants in shared their tricks about SONAR. Do search and see if you can find it? No, its gone + many other threads and reply; “someone” has deleted that + 1000 more other post and threads I have done.
 
Thanks for listen!
 
Best Regards
Freddie

That thread is still out there, I was just looking at it the other day. It was started by Jose and the thread title has been changed a few times by Jose, but it's still out there. You just don't know how to search for it because you're not computer savvy.

I've had 3 posts deleted since I've been coming here, my post count is almost double yours. In every case, I feel Cakewalk made the right call. The first one I requested be deleted, the second one was a comment I made about Roland that they felt was not appropriate, and the third was in this thread. All justified on their part in my opinion. It is their forum ... not ours.

If someone has deleted over 1,000 of your posts, maybe you should start to ponder why? Maybe you are give a lot of bad advice or getting in to an excessive amount of TOS violating confrontations with other forum members? That would be my observation.

The fact that you are downplaying the reason your post was edited just goes to show what kind of person you really are. Something along the lines of your deleted post in my opinion.