Sir Les

chuckebaby


isnt firewire kinda being phased out a we bit?
please forgive me if im wrong,i mean no ignorance.
but should't thou be looking toward usb ?

like i said,please forgive thee if im wrong.

(please,speak in mid evil only)

Opps sorry...one more question to answer...I did not see you...but I will not denie you and answer.
 
Yes firewire is being phazed out by MS...for USB...Like I posed in one other post I put up about the fighting for domonance over...Apples invention..or Microsofts...
 
Now I tried USB...and found it had some issues...if I liked hearing keystrokes and mouse movements over my speakers...and headphones...I would merrily endorce it as a positive Port of calling for the masses...
But after trying to get that noise out of my head..and equipment...I moved to a more exclusive port...no mouse, no keyboards, no usb drives transfering stuff..or being paged..or whatever usb does while checking its ports...
 
See...should it be phazed out?....so many people bought in on it...and it does work to some extent on XP...atleast it was for me...
 
So why kill it?...or is it being killed prematurely to bring in usb ?..by MS?...
 
Not that I do not want help...I do...but I am not ready to be helped...as first I must get to square one...and I know I can..cause I have...it is finding the problem with my last build ...and this new one being built...and firewire.....Now if you spent $2,500.00 on a firewire mixing board...would USB be the solution for it?
 
So a need is there...and a reason for it...so why kill it?...if it is a card we can impliment with drivers...if it would only work....what is stopping it from working in WIN 7 properly?...where as in XP it works ...atleast I never had it crash on me while recording....
 
So...does it matter...?...Thunderbolt is another Apple Product....and it will be a new problem to solve for...and MS will try to corrupt it...no doubt about it....or make something better...So they may say....
 
But thanks for asking....I do not think it is out of need yet.....as many people are having problems with USB and FIREWIRE...So lots of things to consider....Just keepin it real....so I thought.

althought you didnt speak in mid-evil lesley,i have listened.
and i feel for you.some of those things your talking about you are correct.
i feel for you expecially with an exspensive board being firewire.
and hey,a few years back,firewire was and still is faster than usb right?
 
your caught in the market les,im sorry but its true.
i refuse to go apple anything,besides my phone(only preference) but even my Iphone i dont like having to buy my appz at their store or install their software to download my songs.
 
its the timecapsle effect and it ripples through all your gear,because one thing chain reacts with another right?
i would suggest,hanging back on what you got untill your ready to make a big jump and re-build.
maybe the allen and heath(i think you mentioned,maybe im wrong)firewire board can be converted.
im not really sure about that.but i do know technology has no remorse,sorry to hear man.
 
I wish you best on this.
 
Charlie

Oh Paul...in your reading into Sata speeds...when putting a ssd and a slower sata 2 drive on the same port...what are the problems if any?

Just a thought of thoughts I was trying to remidie with the sata 3 card...and faster drives on respective ports...of calling.

hmmm...should we close with the answer to that?...

chuckebaby

Sir Les

chuckebaby


isnt firewire kinda being phased out a we bit?
please forgive me if im wrong,i mean no ignorance.
but should't thou be looking toward usb ?

like i said,please forgive thee if im wrong.

(please,speak in mid evil only)

Opps sorry...one more question to answer...I did not see you...but I will not denie you and answer.
 
Yes firewire is being phazed out by MS...for USB...Like I posed in one other post I put up about the fighting for domonance over...Apples invention..or Microsofts...
 
Now I tried USB...and found it had some issues...if I liked hearing keystrokes and mouse movements over my speakers...and headphones...I would merrily endorce it as a positive Port of calling for the masses...
But after trying to get that noise out of my head..and equipment...I moved to a more exclusive port...no mouse, no keyboards, no usb drives transfering stuff..or being paged..or whatever usb does while checking its ports...
 
See...should it be phazed out?....so many people bought in on it...and it does work to some extent on XP...atleast it was for me...
 
So why kill it?...or is it being killed prematurely to bring in usb ?..by MS?...
 
Not that I do not want help...I do...but I am not ready to be helped...as first I must get to square one...and I know I can..cause I have...it is finding the problem with my last build ...and this new one being built...and firewire.....Now if you spent $2,500.00 on a firewire mixing board...would USB be the solution for it?
 
So a need is there...and a reason for it...so why kill it?...if it is a card we can impliment with drivers...if it would only work....what is stopping it from working in WIN 7 properly?...where as in XP it works ...atleast I never had it crash on me while recording....
 
So...does it matter...?...Thunderbolt is another Apple Product....and it will be a new problem to solve for...and MS will try to corrupt it...no doubt about it....or make something better...So they may say....
 
But thanks for asking....I do not think it is out of need yet.....as many people are having problems with USB and FIREWIRE...So lots of things to consider....Just keepin it real....so I thought.

althought you didnt speak in mid-evil lesley,i have listened.
and i feel for you.some of those things your talking about you are correct.
i feel for you expecially with an exspensive board being firewire.
and hey,a few years back,firewire was and still is faster than usb right?
 
your caught in the market les,im sorry but its true.
i refuse to go apple anything,besides my phone(only preference) but even my Iphone i dont like having to buy my appz at their store or install their software to download my songs.
 
its the timecapsle effect and it ripples through all your gear,because one thing chain reacts with another right?
i would suggest,hanging back on what you got untill your ready to make a big jump and re-build.
maybe the allen and heath(i think you mentioned,maybe im wrong)firewire board can be converted.
im not really sure about that.but i do know technology has no remorse,sorry to hear man.
 
I wish you best on this.
 
Charlie

Thanks Charlie...It makes sense...I am trying to not only help others...by being dumb...But show the pitfalls we all face..in redundancy..and unstandardized gear....if it is being pushed aside...or sabotaged....still ...how is suffering?...
 
Now with that in mind...on this forum and others...We should be nicer to those who have issues, and are very negitive in their demeaner....Cause what I just went through...could cause heart attacks in some...and or finacial ruin with others...see my points?....
 
Not that I let that get to me anymore...as the insanity has settled, and my hair is growing back some what....although I have lost a few new ones lately...I have the knowledge to regrow em in winter months...
 
Yah..So I feel for many...and I want to try to help...cause there are alot of people being taken to the cleaners...
 
I do not like Apples approch to cost pricing of the same gear....so I do not buy Apple computers....But Maybe that might be a road to better firewire implimentation?...perhaps?...maybe?...eh?
 
So thanks for your input...I know it is ment with the right intent....keep making them vids..and being a helping hand...Jesus sees it...and you will no doubt find in your travels...a friend to share life with.
 
Be well
Blessings all around the table....
 

I like fast transfer rates to alieve bottlenecks...which I am trying to solve for in why my other build is crashing and dumping

I don't believe a bottle neck will give you a bsod if that is what your talking about. A drop out in sonar yes, but not a bsod. That is usually hardware with a bad driver me thinks. 

Also, look at my wimpy computer in specs. It can easily handle an audio project of 24 tracks including plugins automation etc. 24 tracks meaning at once recording. Not a snip it here and there. Me thinks your computer is hosed. 

Also, if your concerned about conserving space on a ssd where the os is installed, disable sleep/hybernation as it will use same space as page file if windows manages the page file which is at least the same size as memory. 

Oh ya, forgot. Me thinks!

Les : "Oh Paul...in your reading into Sata speeds...when putting a ssd and a slower sata 2 drive on the same port...what are the problems if any?

Just a thought of thoughts I was trying to remidie with the sata 3 card...and faster drives on respective ports...of calling."

I don't know what you mean by "on the same port".

You have two SATA III ports and 4 SATA II ports going through your Intel X79 chip. That's what it's there for. These ports should be as fast and reliable as it's possible to get. You also have 2 more "Sata III" ports running off the Marvell controller. However, that controller can in no way offer full Sata III speeds, like the X79. The Marvell related functionality is quite a bit of BS if you look into it. It also requires a driver to be loaded for it to work. I've just disabled it on my system.

Finally, you also appear to have a couple extra 6 gb/s sata ports running off a ASMedi 1061 SATA controller. I know nothing about this guy as I don't have it on my WS motherboard.

All this to say that you don't need a pcie sata III card. I don't remember how many hard drives you have but you've got ports for plenty. On my system, I have my SSD and one 1TB hard drive on the Intel Sata III ports. I then have two more 1TB drives, a DVD drive and Bluray drive on the four Intel sata II ports. My hard drives are "Sata III" WD Caviar Blacks which can't benefit from a Sata III port.

Are you doing this build yourself, or is the computer store doing it for you ? If it is, it's not giving me the best of feelings about their competence. I hope you get this thing sorted out quickly. As you say, in 2013 we shouldn't be having any problems. I think things have gotten too big for anyone to get a proper handle on.

WDI

I like fast transfer rates to alieve bottlenecks...which I am trying to solve for in why my other build is crashing and dumping

I don't believe a bottle neck will give you a bsod if that is what your talking about. A drop out in sonar yes, but not a bsod. That is usually hardware with a bad driver me thinks. 

Perhaps  WDI...in order to squash the gremlins We need to address all veriables...One is bottlenecks..But before even that..With a new Build...IRQ's...Very important to address this first..and foremost...Because this is the building block of stability with the port of calling...or as some would rather it be put...IN USE....and it is not working Properly...if it is being shared....
 
Pops clicks..and other annomolies on Your recordings?....some do have this issue.
Crashing occasionally and without reason?...Some have this problem to.
Bugginess and sluggishness in software?...some have reported this..as I have.
 
Yes Drivers can be part of the problem..But the root may be...the IRQ's the Driver is being set to...If it is being paged or what not..by another device...You will have interupts...and this is where failure begins!
 
So...Keeping the 101 in mind...let us now move to addressing this IRQ issue first...and get that settled with all....then we move to the next veriable....
 
Now as I have listened to many techies tell me what to do...and that IRQ's are no longer a issue....I have to go back to the early days and say...that is not true!....It is very important to address this first...and make sure windows x does not take those IRQ's needed to be exclusive...and tie them with other devices....
 
Well this new motherboard I just bought...has removed the feature to turn off or on the Plug and Play OS...Which means Windows now controls that ...
 
In past..Through my experiances....when this sort of direction is left to its own accord...if something was made to share a IRQ by windows Plug and play...windows x would not let that be changed...even if a free IRQ was availible....So I used to go into the bios, and turn off Plug and play...and then go into the device section, and set a slot to a IRQ...Reserving it...and hence the OS was then forced to allow that by the bios being dictator.
 
So is that now defeated with this new bios and new build I am about to make?...
 
Saying it is not a issue...is mythical to my mind....and  fire  and Pyro...was a resulting factor in past endevours...Funny I should take this format and want to have it work for me...But that is futile denial... I guess...So I am still at it....see the circle?....same old same old....and the new is not going in the right direction if they remove the capacity to lock that down right first.
 
Thanks WDI...I will take more tea and pie as we move towards T.B. 102...we are still on T.B. 101...Starting to build...and applying some of what has been put up...to the Build already made that has issues with crashing....So both work flawlessly...and others who read into the muse...find proper instruction....
 
Help all...is my goal.
 
Be well...
 
 

Paul P


Les : "Oh Paul...in your reading into Sata speeds...when putting a ssd and a slower sata 2 drive on the same port...what are the problems if any?

Just a thought of thoughts I was trying to remidie with the sata 3 card...and faster drives on respective ports...of calling."

I don't know what you mean by "on the same port".

You have two SATA III ports and 4 SATA II ports going through your Intel X79 chip. That's what it's there for. These ports should be as fast and reliable as it's possible to get. You also have 2 more "Sata III" ports running off the Marvell controller. However, that controller can in no way offer full Sata III speeds, like the X79. The Marvell related functionality is quite a bit of BS if you look into it. It also requires a driver to be loaded for it to work. I've just disabled it on my system.

Finally, you also appear to have a couple extra 6 gb/s sata ports running off a ASMedi 1061 SATA controller. I know nothing about this guy as I don't have it on my WS motherboard.

All this to say that you don't need a pcie sata III card. I don't remember how many hard drives you have but you've got ports for plenty. On my system, I have my SSD and one 1TB hard drive on the Intel Sata III ports. I then have two more 1TB drives, a DVD drive and Bluray drive on the four Intel sata II ports. My hard drives are "Sata III" WD Caviar Blacks which can't benefit from a Sata III port.

Are you doing this build yourself, or is the computer store doing it for you ? If it is, it's not giving me the best of feelings about their competence. I hope you get this thing sorted out quickly. As you say, in 2013 we shouldn't be having any problems. I think things have gotten too big for anyone to get a proper handle on.

Yes Paul...I have...let us say 2x sata 3 ports are on this board for system drives....one drive is a sata 3 drive ssd M4 256gb...and on the same port ..1x sata2 drive....
 
So does the port slow down for the ssd in transfer or wirte to the other drive ..when addressing both on that same port in a recording situation of 16 tracks of 88.2/24bit...?
 
That is kinda as detailed as I can make the question....Hope you understand the direction...it is just a veriable..a possibility in slowing or bottlenecking the system...
 
So in light of such a possibility..and there may be reason?...We should try to stamp out all veriables first...true?....if that is possible...?
 
In any case, this has to start at 101...the building...first things first...and we will no doubt come to all veriables when that needs to be addressed down the road....But since you brought it up...I though I would ask you a more technical Question about it....as I have not looked into this...But with my Hammer in hand...I thought my approch to snuffing it with a sata 3 port add on card, and sata 3 drives galour...would .
 
One of the other questions I think I posed in past..was..Can a Pci-e 1x card be put onto a PCIe x16 slot....
Well, In my attempt to find out...Yes it can...but it has to be able to ...some cards don't like it...and when doing so...what is being shared with that when done?
and is it safe to put a sata card on a shared slot?.....see more veriables arising?.
 
So..as I only have two PCI-e 1x slots on my Sabertooth x58 board...both are used..one is for firewire, one is for UAD quad solo card...there is no room for the sata card...But I have lots of PCI-e 16x slots not being used....so...not being well instructed on this problem....I took out the sata card...and put in that SATA3 PORT a drive that is suited for it...to go along with the ssd...and I named that drive volume" 6gbps"..so When I record...it is to that drive....
 
That should clear up that veriable, to some degree???...if not..another ssd should....and YES Moe MONEY!...and another Pie to bake...down the road...
 
WOE dare my valiant steed......I found more shrubberries...
 
LOL.