Sir Les

Paul P


Les : "Oh Paul...in your reading into Sata speeds...when putting a ssd and a slower sata 2 drive on the same port...what are the problems if any?

Just a thought of thoughts I was trying to remidie with the sata 3 card...and faster drives on respective ports...of calling."

I don't know what you mean by "on the same port".

You have two SATA III ports and 4 SATA II ports going through your Intel X79 chip. That's what it's there for. These ports should be as fast and reliable as it's possible to get. You also have 2 more "Sata III" ports running off the Marvell controller. However, that controller can in no way offer full Sata III speeds, like the X79. The Marvell related functionality is quite a bit of BS if you look into it. It also requires a driver to be loaded for it to work. I've just disabled it on my system.

Finally, you also appear to have a couple extra 6 gb/s sata ports running off a ASMedi 1061 SATA controller. I know nothing about this guy as I don't have it on my WS motherboard.

All this to say that you don't need a pcie sata III card. I don't remember how many hard drives you have but you've got ports for plenty. On my system, I have my SSD and one 1TB hard drive on the Intel Sata III ports. I then have two more 1TB drives, a DVD drive and Bluray drive on the four Intel sata II ports. My hard drives are "Sata III" WD Caviar Blacks which can't benefit from a Sata III port.

Are you doing this build yourself, or is the computer store doing it for you ? If it is, it's not giving me the best of feelings about their competence. I hope you get this thing sorted out quickly. As you say, in 2013 we shouldn't be having any problems. I think things have gotten too big for anyone to get a proper handle on.

Yes Paul...I have let the computer store find, and get the board to post correctly...and now I have the system to fiddle and work out the bugs......
 
Let us say 2x sata 3 ports are on this board for system drives....one drive is a sata 3 drive ssd M4 256gb (C:)...and on the same port ..1x sata2 drive (d:)....
 
So does the port slow down the ssd in transfer or wirte rates to the other slower drive...which is on the same port? ..when addressing both on that same port in a recording situation of 16 tracks of 88.2/24bit...?
 
That is kinda as detailed as I can make the question....Hope you understand the direction...it is just a veriable..a possibility in slowing or bottlenecking the system...
 
So in light of such a possibility..and there may be reason to ask?...We should try to stamp out all veriables first...true?....if that is possible...?
 
In any case, this has to start at 101...the building...first things first...and we will no doubt come to all veriables when that needs to be addressed down the road....But since you brought it up...I though I would ask you a more technical Question about it....as I have not looked into this...But with my Hammer in hand now...I thought my approch to snuffing it with a sata 3 port and sata 3 drives galour...would .
 
One of the other questions I think I posed in past..was..Can a Pci-e 1x card be put onto a PCIe x16 slot....
Well, In my attempt to find out...Yes it can...but it has to be able to ...some cards don't like it...and when doing so...what is being shared with that when done?
and is it safe to put a sata3 card on a shared slot?.....see more veriables arising?.
 
So..as I only have two PCI-e 1x slots on my Sabertooth x58 board...both are used..one is for firewire, one is for UAD quad solo card...there is no room for the sata3 card left on its respective slot.(not enough of em)..But I have lots of PCI-e 16x slots not being used....so...not being well instructed or informed on this problem....I took out the sata3 card from the PCI-E 16x slot...and put inplace that SATA3 motherboard PORT a drive that is suited for it...to go along with the ssd...and I named that drive volume" 6gbps"..so When I record...it is to that drive....
 
That should clear up that veriable, to some degree???...if not..another ssd should....and YES Moe MONEY!...and another Pie to bake...down the road...
 
WOE dare my valiant steed......I found more shrubberries...
 
LOL.
 
 
 

I/O Port 0x00000000-0x0000000F Direct memory access controller
I/O Port 0x00000000-0x0000000F PCI bus
 
I/O Port 0x000003C0-0x000003DF ATI Radeon HD 5700 Series
I/O Port 0x000003C0-0x000003DF Intel(R) 5520/5500/X58 I/O Hub PCI Express Root Port 3 - 340A
 
IRQ 23 Intel(R) ICH10 Family USB Universal Host Controller - 3A34
IRQ 23 Intel(R) ICH10 Family USB Enhanced Host Controller - 3A3A
 
IRQ 16 Intel(R) ICH10 Family USB Universal Host Controller - 3A37
IRQ 16 Intel(R) ICH10 Family PCI Express Root Port 6 - 3A4A
 
Memory Address 0xD0000000-0xDFFFFFFF ATI Radeon HD 5700 Series
Memory Address 0xD0000000-0xDFFFFFFF Intel(R) 5520/5500/X58 I/O Hub PCI Express Root Port 3 - 340A
 
IRQ 17 Intel(R) ICH10 Family PCI Express Root Port 1 - 3A40
IRQ 17 Intel(R) ICH10 Family PCI Express Root Port 5 - 3A48
IRQ 17 Universal Audio UAD-2 Solo
 
IRQ 18 Intel(R) ICH10 Family USB Universal Host Controller - 3A36
IRQ 18 Intel(R) ICH10 Family USB Enhanced Host Controller - 3A3C
 
Memory Address 0xA0000-0xBFFFF PCI bus
Memory Address 0xA0000-0xBFFFF ATI Radeon HD 5700 Series
Memory Address 0xA0000-0xBFFFF Intel(R) 5520/5500/X58 I/O Hub PCI Express Root Port 3 - 340A
 
IRQ 19 Texas Instruments 1394 OHCI Compliant Host Controller
IRQ 19 Intel(R) ICH10 Family USB Universal Host Controller - 3A35
IRQ 19 Intel(R) ICH10 Family PCI Express Root Port 4 - 3A46
IRQ 19 Realtek PCI GBE Family Controller
IRQ 19 Intel(R) ICH10 Family USB Universal Host Controller - 3A39
 
I/O Port 0x000003B0-0x000003BB ATI Radeon HD 5700 Series
I/O Port 0x000003B0-0x000003BB Intel(R) 5520/5500/X58 I/O Hub PCI Express Root Port 3 - 340A
 
I/O Port 0x0000D000-0x0000D0FF ATI Radeon HD 5700 Series
I/O Port 0x0000D000-0x0000D0FF Intel(R) 5520/5500/X58 I/O Hub PCI Express Root Port 3 - 340A


 
Do you see what I see?...IRQ 19... & 17... of veriables I put forth....

Les, I'm harping, but what do you mean by :

"So does the port slow down for the ssd in transfer or wirte to the other drive ..when addressing both on that same port in a recording situation of 16 tracks of 88.2/24bit...? "

What "same port" ? You have 6 independent Intel sata ports on your motherboard, 2 SATA III and 4 SATA II. Put your OS ssd in Intel Sata III (1) and your most important hard drive, or another SSD, in Intel Sata III (2). Then put any other drives in the four Intel SATA II ports.

A comment : you seem to be terribly worried about IRQ's. I'm not up to date on how they are handled in modern systems, but one thing I do notice is that you seem to be the only one talking about them. Why not get your system running with nothing in it. Then add things one piece at a time until you start having problems. Pull out all your PCIe cards except for your graphics card.

What's your soundcard or audio interface ? Your UA card looks like some sort of audio processor, is it also a soundcard ?

You want to get to the point where you can say that before you add this next item things work, and the minute you add it things don't. Then you can start to worry about why.

Paul P


Les, I'm harping, but what do you mean by :

"So does the port slow down for the ssd in transfer or wirte to the other drive ..when addressing both on that same port in a recording situation of 16 tracks of 88.2/24bit...? "

What "same port" ? You have 6 independent Intel sata ports on your motherboard, 2 SATA III and 4 SATA II. Put your OS ssd in Intel Sata III (1) and your most important hard drive, or another SSD, in Intel Sata III (2). Then put any other drives in the four Intel SATA II ports.

A comment : you seem to be terribly worried about IRQ's. I'm not up to date on how they are handled in modern systems, but one thing I do notice is that you seem to be the only one talking about them. Why not get your system running with nothing in it. Then add things one piece at a time until you start having problems. Pull out all your PCIe cards except for your graphics card.

What's your soundcard or audio interface ? Your UA card looks like some sort of audio processor, is it also a soundcard ?

You want to get to the point where you can say that before you add this next item things work, and the minute you add it things don't. Then you can start to worry about why.

 
Well Paul....SSDs are pritty fast in read, and write times...which if..a software is running on it..doing the directing of large data flows...In some regard to its capacity to read and write...and in such...The target Drive being slower on same port...(Sata 3 motherboard)...Does the port slow down to accomodate the slower writes to it?.....hence a bottleneck?....
 
And or...as you say..it is not a issue..perhaps it is something to look at sideways..and say..Well lets put the right drives on the respective ports...Just to be prudent.
 
Nothing more...and it may solve a weak veriable....that was my goal...with the add on card and lots of sata 3 drives to back up to, and record to...Perhaps that is also not fast enough when using SSDs?...So I thought about the 128 pairing and a caching setup also...suppose to make things go faster....
 
Yah faster and faster...Yet they still impliment USB 2, and Sata 2...taking up IRQs...?...of course the mouse and Keyboard use em...but if it were all usb 3 , I think that is all backwards compatable...So why the continued need to put slower things onto newer faster boards,...when a faster port with that backwards compatibility is implimented also?.
 
I know you say that sata 3 speeds are not even touched by the drives put on em.....But...is it a veriable possibility that these differing Drives do cause some bottlenecking?.....
 
That is rule of thumb...pressing for a good answer....But it is still premature in the build....So something I should now research on the google...
 
UAD Quad solo cards are effect processor cards...they use their own processors to impliment effects on audio tracks and such...for mastering...Although I would say they might be seen as a audio device...they are to allieviate the cpu from burden of excessive processes, by taking those effects add and doing all the math or most of it on the add on card...
 
So as this is my Music work station system for recording and mixing, and mastering eventually.....those effect processes, are wanted to be working right also...down the road...
 
So..see what happens when we believe in..."You do not have to worry about IRQs anymore"....as uttered by who?...and show me the proof of that now.... with what I have tabled......where are they? who uttered this lie?
 
Well Paul...I know why...and I used to try to make it so...but I was told..Like you were...that this is not a problem anymore....when I now believe it is!...and I am doing what you just said....finding the root..at level one!...the other stuff is just because the system has already been built, and was working sort of...never really had 16 tracks being recorded at once...once I started to do this..is where things got hairy...or should I say Hairless..or loss...
 
So 101...if you never looked into the IRQ's...I think now is a time you should....cause you will find..when you get em where you want em...things work better....
 
A men?

http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_7-hardware/windows-7-irq-conflict-not-detected-by-windows-but/15014f06-8dc6-41f2-9226-38515db7cfe9      a LINK TO OTHERS HAVIN ISSUES

http://avid.force.com/pkb/articles/en_US/Troubleshooting/en401407


Another Shrubberry link

I don't think I can add anything more to your project until you've done some further experimenting. I'm very interested in your situation since I have a similar system, so keep us informed of your progress. For myself, I'm not going to worry about IRQs until something fails to work properly, which for the moment is not the case (but then again, I haven't made intensive use of my system yet).

Thanks for the links, they were an interesting read. I am under the impression, which may be wrong, that with a really powerful system some resource management problems that are encountered in lesser systems may just not show up.

I think this came from a spam generator....seriously.

Paul P


I don't think I can add anything more to your project until you've done some further experimenting. I'm very interested in your situation since I have a similar system, so keep us informed of your progress. For myself, I'm not going to worry about IRQs until something fails to work properly, which for the moment is not the case (but then again, I haven't made intensive use of my system yet).

Thanks for the links, they were an interesting read. I am under the impression, which may be wrong, that with a really powerful system some resource management problems that are encountered in lesser systems may just not show up.

 
 
Thanks Paul and to all...Even Konradh with his smugness is blessed...And I will keep you who are wanting valid info...up to date, as I find more shrubs..and make more pudding...
 
What I was Illuding to in one of my other posts though ..is the Sabotage of Firewire...by MS....By using a legacy Standard Driver, not written for WIN7 64 bit...and then lumping it in share states...most overly done..is by far appearently on perpose to make it weak..or crappy..so People move away from the platform......
 
Now as I pointed out...Sata 2 and USB 2 are redundant ...if Sata 3 and USB 3 are backwards compatable...So controllers no longer needed that take up IRQs could be freed up by removing these two redundant devices....
 
And the 16 physical IRQs that have been with PCs since the hay day...are not enough for the system to do much more than what it is limited to....
 
So either way more IRQs are needed....and virtual ones are not the answer.....If I look into the IRQ list..I see some 190 irqs....of which 16 physcial ones, and they are used to share the remaining 180...etc......Say you don't have problems?....well add another critical card into a slot shared...and you may! ...and when the techies tell you to tweak the OS, do this and that, but never really address the root cause, and they say it does not matter anymore???.....round and round in circles for over thirty years....it gets amusingly stupid...
 
Spam and eggs served in the bazzoki room....LOL