• SONAR
  • Recording to a USB thumb drive
2013/02/23 10:21:21
redbarchetta
I thought it might be a good idea to store all my project files on my thumb drive, so i set so in Sonar properties I set my project files to my to point to it.  Have any of you tried this?  Were there any negative issues you came across?  Good/Bad idea?
2013/02/23 11:41:15
Marcus Curtis
You would be better off using an external hard drive due to the data transfer rate. I have backed up projects to thumb drives for transfer to another computer. But I never recorded directly to a thumb drive.

I am not saying it won't work. The audio your streaming may not need a high data transfer rate. It has been my experience that thumb drives are slower than hard drives. Maybe a hard drive would be a better way to go. Maybe you might not notice a difference with 8 or 10 tracks. but I think a large project may have problems.

I never tried it so I don't know for sure. If you try recording a large project let me know how well the system holds up. I have no difficulties using an external Hard Drive. 

My VS-100 transfers recordings and streams to an SD card. I have no problems there. Video is also transferred to SD cards on my video camera. I guess in the long run there is more then one way to skin a cat. let me know how well this works.

shoot I might just run a test or two myself when I get some time.
2013/02/23 11:45:22
Beepster
Interesting question. As Marcus said I'd be worried about speed and I'm not sure Sonar would even give the option to write audio to it. However if it's USB 3 it might be fast enough to print the audio. Not sure if you'd be able to make the project files write it it though. Isn't that supposed to be done on the same drive Sonar is installed on?
2013/02/23 12:04:28
Tweakberry
consider the fact that a thumb drive is easy to lose, while an external drive is not so easy to lose

one day i put my stuff on a thumb drive, just for a day, and then i stuck it in my shirt pocket, just for a few minutes

i realized what a really really stupid idea that was while in the john, and i'm still kicking myself for this one

let me just say that to this day i still have the image of my stuff going 'round and 'round while being flushed away, and my forearms getting soaked trying to save the damned thing
2013/02/23 12:13:12
redbarchetta
Tweakberry


let me just say that to this day i still have the image of my stuff going 'round and 'round while being flushed away, and my forearms getting soaked trying to save the damned thing

eeewwww... hahahahaha.   All that mess and no saved thumb drive?
2013/02/23 12:24:26
Tweakberry
well luckily for me it was a #1 moment so no real mess, some #2's would have mucked up the recovery effort for sure

all 4 naught though, yup... it was gone
2013/02/23 12:33:45
Marcus Curtis
Beepster


Interesting question. As Marcus said I'd be worried about speed and I'm not sure Sonar would even give the option to write audio to it. However if it's USB 3 it might be fast enough to print the audio. Not sure if you'd be able to make the project files write it it though. Isn't that supposed to be done on the same drive Sonar is installed on?

I know that you can stream externally. You just got to select the default folder under preferences. I think it will work as far as printing the audio. The only problems I can foresee is maybe latency and the thumb drives capability to except the transfer rate. This would cause drop outs, pops, and clicks. 


I have been able to stream to an external drive successfully. I have recorded straight to an SD card both Video and Audio. Of course the card slots were built directly into the hardware I was using.


So I wonder if a USB thumb drive will work? If not will an SD card work? I don't think there is any limitation in the software. I think this is more of a matter with the hardware keeping up with the streaming.


The more I think about this the more I want to test it for myself. 
2013/02/23 12:38:13
Sir Les
Tweakberry


consider the fact that a thumb drive is easy to lose, while an external drive is not so easy to lose

one day i put my stuff on a thumb drive, just for a day, and then i stuck it in my shirt pocket, just for a few minutes

i realized what a really really stupid idea that was while in the john, and i'm still kicking myself for this one

let me just say that to this day i still have the image of my stuff going 'round and 'round while being flushed away, and my forearms getting soaked trying to save the damned thing

 
 
LOL..Could still turn up down stream with embedded input....Just going with the flow...LOL...Hope be with you!
2013/02/23 12:43:08
redbarchetta
It works.  I did set the directory in preferences. I'm doing it now. I just don't know if there will be issues down the road.  I just created a 1 track session so far with no issues. However, like some of you said, there could be latency issues. 

I read somewhere that to boost performance it's a good ideal to not save on the same drive that Sonar is installed.  I was thinking that having my projects saved / written to a thumb drive might be a good alternative.
2013/02/23 15:10:34
Marcus Curtis
redbarchetta


It works.  I did set the directory in preferences. I'm doing it now. I just don't know if there will be issues down the road.  I just created a 1 track session so far with no issues. However, like some of you said, there could be latency issues. 

I read somewhere that to boost performance it's a good ideal to not save on the same drive that Sonar is installed.  I was thinking that having my projects saved / written to a thumb drive might be a good alternative.

Yes that is true "to boost performance it's a good ideal to not save on the same drive that Sonar is installed." The reason for this is because the processor is not accessing the same drive for system files, program files, and audio files. If you have a separate drive to stream the audio the main drive is freed up just to send system files and program files.

That being said I believe the advice was to use an external hard drive or even a second internal hard drive. You may not get that added speed advantage using a Thumb drive even though it works to stream audio to it.

You may run into issues if you are streaming 20 tracks through Sonar while overdubbing another track. You are not just streaming to the thumb drive. you are streaming from it too. That is were it may bog down.

The thing to do is to load a project file for mastering. anything from 17 to 30 tracks. See if you have any latency issues. get a project file here.

http://www.cambridge-mt.com/ms-mtk.htm 

download one of the practice project files for mastering. put it on your thumb drive and see if you have major latency issues. This is the test I want to run the next time I am in the studio. Try it on both a thumb drive and an SD card to see what works best. Ultimately the Hard drive is the best choice. I am just curious how well something like this will work in a pinch.
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