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2013/02/19 11:17:46
brconflict
There's an old story about KFC's success and one horrible failure of a competitor, referencing Minnie Pearl's Fried Chicken. Minnie Pearl could make some amazing Fried Chicken, so good it would rival KFC in the 60's. In fact, businessmen were begging her to sell the recipe. She finally did, but she wasn't included in the deal. To everyone's surprise, the recipe flopped and the company failed miserably. The reason, which echoes Corporations who make irrational, but sound financial decisions (at least, this is what they were taught by so-called economical MBA experts in college (fundamental failures in their own right)):  

Corporate Businessmen do not know how to cook. 

60% of the reason I bought Sonar was due to Brandon's and Seth's positive influences in the Webinars and their ways of making you feel you made a great investment. Take away the faces, and you take away the brand.  

The brand CakeWalk literally died with their departure, IMO. Now, it's just Roland Sonar. How bland is that!? 
2013/02/19 11:24:38
Paul P
I don't know... Roland has a heck of name in my view of things. I don't think it would hurt Sonar.
2013/02/19 11:37:21
brconflict
I'm not a long-time Sonar user, but my perception of Cakewalk now has gone REALLY south. If I had any reason to go to another DAW, this is a nice little shove in that direction.

I realize this could be to keep an ailing ship from sinking, but these were two faces I could relate to, and feel like I'm getting their fuel to the product as well. 

I think this is tragic. I'll guarantee this, though. I'm already SUPER excited to see who picks these talents up! What a feather in the cap to whoever does!!
2013/02/19 12:06:09
jps
Freddie H


What???
Have Brandon Ryan left Cakewalk too? First Brandon and now Seth Pearlstein?????
 
 
Are cakewalk ship sinking? Is that's why we don't see any update????

http://forum.cakewalk.com/fb.ashx?m=2784072



 No its because the programmers are on vacation on this yacht :-)


2013/02/19 12:51:22
Freddie H
Both Seth and Brandon has left the Company?
I like to hear from Cakewalk what's going on.



I really strongly have start thinking leaving Cakewalk and go back to Steinberg Cubase 7 when I hear this??.  
Cakewalk has never been as slow on UPDATES as they are now? WHY?

We can only speculate!
If I don't see VST3 and other "no brainer" enhancement soon like example better resizable Console mixer, "Pro Channel" based on VST3 technology, and better and 100% dedicated working suppport of 3part DAW controllers like SSL Nucleus AVID artist series; I willl be out of here...
2013/02/19 13:10:03
Freddie H
I hope we can get more info about what the Company are heading? I like to know if Cakewalk is a safe bet invest my money!
A DAW is your mothership, "your home", "working", not like a plugin...
2013/02/19 13:59:16
brconflict
Freddie H


I hope we can get more info about what the Company are heading? I like to know if Cakewalk is a safe bet invest my money!
A DAW is your mothership, "your home", "working", not like a plugin...
I sincerely hope to hear some actual plans for Cakewalk, not just a Corporate Bull-etin to even attempt to downplay the significance of Seth and Brandon's departure. I've heard this farce damage-control nonsense before, and it's usually the same sort of old-school political sand-paper you'd rather just not even hear. 

Yeah, when I heard about this, I started seeing the Cakewalk DAW as a sunset. I suspect it will keep going, to say the least, because it would be stupid to sunset it, but I can just "feel" like I'm working with tainted, damaged-good now that these sort of steps have been taken.

If the ship goes down, I don't have much love for Cakewalk/Roland anyway as it is. This just sealed the deal for me. I've likely committed the very last purchase to Cakewalk/Roland I will ever make. 

LET IT BE KNOWN, that IF Cakewalk OR Roland decide to pursue Brandon or Seth for making such announcements or even being regarded in them, I sincerely hope the public hears about it, and fans react. You don't fool your customers! Why did you try?

2013/02/19 14:39:26
Jimbo 88
When is DP8 for windows coming???
2013/02/19 14:44:26
ltb
Jimbo 88


When is DP8 for windows coming???

Should be soon. I hope they'll eventually add a demo version. I'd at least like to try it out.


2013/02/19 15:22:02
AT
I'm as upset about the "face(s)" of Cakewalk leaving as the next guy - or gal.  But that hardly means Cakewalk and SONAR are dead in the water like Osama, and they are more alive than GM.  I think people are jumping to conclusions.

Roland paid good money for Cakewalk.  It was, and is, one of the premiere DAWs.  What else is on that list?  ProTools, Cubase and Cakewalk.  DP and Logic are fighting over the slice of the mac pie w/ ProTools.  For the PC, there is only Reaper for a full fledged recording environment, and it has made inroads because it is cheap and fairly no-frills.  The same kind of people as Fruity Loops.  There is Live and Reason, which are niche players.  So, Cakewalk by Roland ain't going anywhere.

So Roland pays good money and the economy tanks.  Less money for everything, including music software.  Then Cake releases X1, which is a new interface for their software.  I liked it, but it was confusing.  Cleaner, but nothing was where it was in earlier versions of SONAR, which slowed work on it until I learned it.  That and a lot of shortcuts.  Then there were whole new methodolgies involved.  Appologies to FBB, but I never got screensets.  I knew in theory what I could do, but I never embraced them and am still only slowly learning to incorporate them.  Usually when I'm working, I want to get a project finished, not practise learning how to use a completely new feature since the old methods still work.

X1 comes out to good press releases, although it is noted X1 has more than its fair share of bugs.  But more importantly, it drives away some long time customers w/ its newfangled methods.  And new customers, reading the big piles of stinking complaints on the forums and not doing due diligence checking other software forums and not having a lot of cash to spend, don't jump on the X1 bandwagon like Cake hoped w/ their redesign.  X2 is well received, but a lot of Cake people leave, and some not on their own.  There have been PR and tech support people leaving, in case you didn't know.  A lot of the old crew.  Welcome to corporate reality.  It sucks.  But as far as I can tell, most of the coders remain. 

But you don't toss out brand name recoginition.  Roland is most likely reconfiguring Cakewalk, either down (or "right" in corporate speak) -sizing or/or bringing in new people they think will help (us users and their bottom line).  They aren't throwing the baby out w/ the bathwater.

I've met Seth at some of the promo events here in Texas.  I never met Brandon but had emails w/ him.  And emailed w/ some of the tech people who've left.  they were all good people I'd share a sonic foxhole w/.  Also the Cake channel "how to" videos w/ Seth and Brandon were as good as the Groove videos, which are pricey. (Hint hint, Roland).

But there is no reason to think SONAR won't be upgraded or that the sky if falling.  I expect X2B will fix a few bugs, add a few features which introduce new bugs and (hopefully!) roland will leverage some of their brand into the Prochannel and synths.  Same as it ever was.

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