• SONAR
  • Snap does not work properly and Cakewalk needs to fix this ASAP (and other MIDI BS)
2013/02/19 00:26:56
sharke
I tell you what, I'm not one for normally expressing my frustration on here, but I am sick to bloody death of the snap to grid not working as it should. 

Example, I have a MIDI clip that I'm moving around. Snap is set to 1/4 notes and snap TO (not snap BY). Magnetic strength set to extreme. When I move it around I look at the start time in the clip inspector. For a while it shows that every move is snapped to an exact beat. But every now and then it will just offset the clip by a small number, e.g. 16 ticks, and every move I make is then offset from the beat by 16 ticks. If I jiggle it back and forward then it eventually gets back to the 0 tick divisions. But it means that every time I have a lot of clip moving to do, my work flow is severely hampered by the amount of jiggling and checking I have to do with clip start times. 

CAKEWALK, DAMMIT THIS SHOULD JUST WORK AS ADVERTISED. 

Problems with hardware compatibility/instability are one thing. But this is about as basic as it gets in a DAW. This is as basic as inserting an appointment on a calendar at a set time. When I create an appointment in Outlook at 4pm and move it around the screen, does it land on 3:02pm, 2:02pm, 1:02pm etc? No! And if it did, I would damn well be asking Microsoft for my money back. 

And while I'm on, let's talk about MIDI timing. Why should instruments start drifting out of time when I'm looping a section? Doesn't always happen, granted, but it happens a lot, and others have mentioned it too. Again, this is fundamental DAW stuff. 

Cakewalk, you need to stop treating Sonar as  a marketing vehicle - stop piling on shiny new bells and whistles that look good in a 1 minute YouTube promo - and start FIXING the BASIC DAW FUNCTIONALITY for chrissakes. 
2013/02/19 00:33:50
sharke
This is what I'm talking about. Snap on, 1/4 notes, move the clip to bar 4 and look where it lands. FUME, SEETHE!



2013/02/19 07:03:23
icontakt
I've just checked it out, and in my case the clip I drag and drop almost always goes to the 0 position. But yes, once in a while it ends up in :064. I don't know why.

But I was more disturbed by a different problem. Sometimes, when I drop the clip, it ends up in a completely different track 
2013/02/19 07:15:37
synkrotron
Hmmm... Bizarre Sharke.  I must admit that I've not noticed this, but I've not really looked either. I've made a note to self to check this out the next time I am "in my studio."

I've been having a few "issues" with smart grid, but I've been putting that down to user error and I'm sticking with it.

One thing I have noticed though, in my current project, I'll loop a section and start it rolling and then over a period of time it goes out of sync and I have to stop and start it again.

I'm wondering... could the running out of sync problem have been cause by a recent windows update? Reason I ask is I've only noticed this in the last week or so.
2013/02/19 08:00:07
moffdnb
Saw this too.  And on earlier SONAR verisons also.  

Its become part of my routine to shuffle the clip with the mouse in order to confirm it has snapped to correct position.  But yes, shouldn't have to do this at all.  ;<
2013/02/19 08:07:43
Bristol_Jonesey
synkrotron



One thing I have noticed though, in my current project, I'll loop a section and start it rolling and then over a period of time it goes out of sync and I have to stop and start it again.

I'm wondering... could the running out of sync problem have been cause by a recent windows update? Reason I ask is I've only noticed this in the last week or so.


This was happening to me back in X1 Andy - I haven't had cause to investigate if it happens in X2 yet, but I will do if/when I get my machine back
2013/02/19 08:33:26
Beepster
  Not sure if this is the problem but there is a setting "that I think is new" that is something like Last Note Touched or something. It's caused me quite a bit of frustration as well because it gets activated randomly sometimes. I'll go poke at the manual to find the page number it's described on. 
2013/02/19 08:39:13
Beepster
Nevermind... that's for MIDI note lengths. For some reason though I recall it screwing up my snap settings. There is a blurb about it on pg 468
2013/02/19 09:20:11
Bristol_Jonesey


I wondered what you were going on about there Beep.


Nothing to see here.

move along now.
2013/02/19 09:24:38
Beepster
Yup. Brain fart. Sorry, guys.
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