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As far as the controversy over this roll-out thread, two people have kept this thread going.  Bub, who's continued involvement in SONAR with all the problems he has with every version leads me to wonder about unresolved masochistic issues.

That is when I think about it at all, which isn't often but only in threads like this. I simply wonder why he hasn't moved to a DAW that does work for him.

Ahh ... another positive post with words such as 'masochistic', and accusations of keeping a bad thread going.

Yeah, this post really helps a lot.

But yeah, it's all my fault. Nobody else says anything that's offensive here. I'm the only one.

What about yorolpal, or spacey, or you mentioning all the bugs earlier, or Anderton's reply "just the guy who doesn't bother to do research", or TEN_K mentioning all the bugs that haven't been fixed, or the first part of jsg's post, or CakeAlex's post about listening to journalists ...

It's things like you are posting that keep these kind of threads going. Craig and I said our piece and have moved on, but people like you actually keep it going.

I respect Craigs views.
I haven't said a negative thing towards anybody.

I see it differently right or wrong.

Besides...with all the problems I've had in the past with different versions -saying
X2 is the smoothest just doesn't mean much to me anyway.
Still having the same ol problems....software bugs, hardware issues, updates, OS changes...
always something. Gotta love it.

I admit I haven't been keeping score....if more are having a great time with X2 then that's a good thing.
My view is from the troubled seats...just looks different from here.

I'm not one who spends a lot of time posting in this forum, as I am very busy with my music and outside projects. I do find this forum can be very informative, and has helped me out a lot.

So, I log-in to see read some of the threads of interest to me, and I unfortunately came across this one.

All I can say is; How pitiful!

I'm going fishing now.

A couple of points from a very infrequent visitor who just happened to Coe across this thread.

Bub.......why not try another DAW? I became increasingly unhappy with sonar, ( for me ) it was buggy, unresolved and flaky , for my needs and income I HAD to switch, I'm very glad I did....let's be honest the practices and attitudes at Cake have very much changed since the Roland takeover. Yes I know you have spent a lot of money on Sonar ( as have I ), sometimes just finding a tool that suits your needs better is the thing to do.

I posted recently that after a VERY long absence I found the whole tone of the forums to be nastier and fragmented, I haven't revised my opinion.

Perhaps what some folks are getting hung up on is Craig's use of the word "rollout".  I did.  He's not one to spout off the first thing that leaps into his head.  He seems to take a very reasoned approach.  And I imagine that he's most likely exactly right...X2 was, and will be remembered as, a fairly smooth "rollout".  But I also think that if you fellows and gals will remember just how poorly X1's "rollout" went...and I mean pooooooooorly...that Cake could've released a ten-pack of ShamWows and a bowl of cigarette butts and called it "X2" and there would've been a collective sigh of relief. 

Again, don't get me wrong, I liked most of X1 as well.  But what I didn't like or missed I carped about.  Cause I paid for that priviledge.  I honestly don't think anyone who really gets down deep and uses Sonar...or any other DAW for that matter...is happy with everything about it.  That's what makes a horserace.  And, having used Cake products since right about their inception, I've had my share of frustration, lost work, seemingly crazy random glitches and bugs which caused me both lost time and wages.  So I try my dead level best to understand and commiserate with folks who FOR WHATEVER REASON...KNOWN OR UNKNOWN are having serious troubles with their systems and Sonar.  I bet Craig would agree with most, if not all, of this. 

Anywhoo, just another county heard from.  Carry on.

spacey

I respect Craigs views.
I haven't said a negative thing towards anybody.

I see it differently right or wrong.

Besides...with all the problems I've had in the past with different versions -saying
X2 is the smoothest just doesn't mean much to me anyway.
Still having the same ol problems....software bugs, hardware issues, updates, OS changes...
always something. Gotta love it.

I admit I haven't been keeping score....if more are having a great time with X2 then that's a good thing.
My view is from the troubled seats...just looks different from here.

My point behind my post was, I'm not the only one that sees these problems. I'm not making them up.

Nothing more, nothing less.

And I don't bring them up as much as everyone makes out I do either. Honestly, I can't even remember the last time I started a thread here in the X2 forum. There's just a handful of people here that despise the fact that I do chime in on threads and take the part of people when they are ganging up on them, and every single time it turns in to something ugly. And a lot of times they blow things way out of proportion just for the sake of bashing on me.

For example ... what was the point of JSGlen's post? "pitiful!". What good does it do to go in to the middle of a thread like this and add more trash to it unless you are trying to get a rise out of someone? No ... no anger there, just blame it all on me. Yep, every single bit of every thread that a certain few here don't like ... all my fault.

artsoul

A couple of points from a very infrequent visitor who just happened to Coe across this thread.

Bub.......why not try another DAW? I became increasingly unhappy with sonar, ( for me ) it was buggy, unresolved and flaky , for my needs and income I HAD to switch, I'm very glad I did....let's be honest the practices and attitudes at Cake have very much changed since the Roland takeover. Yes I know you have spent a lot of money on Sonar ( as have I ), sometimes just finding a tool that suits your needs better is the thing to do.

I posted recently that after a VERY long absence I found the whole tone of the forums to be nastier and fragmented, I haven't revised my opinion.

Thanks for the post artsoul.

I stick with Sonar because I like it. I do have a couple of backup DAW's I use when there's a release that Cakewalk puts out that's non-functional like X1 was for me, but I always come back to check on things when a Quick Fix or Patch is released. I don't make a living with Sonar, so it's not a big deal if I waste some time with it if you know what I mean, but in an actual studio, I can absolutely see why some would jump to another solution.

Thanks,

Bub.

Bub,

My post was simply my opinion of the direction this thread has taken. No intent on my part to get "a rise" out of anyone. Out of all the immature posts in this thread you found mine to be particularly offensive to you? If so, no offence intended. This thread is just one example of why I spend less time in this forum. There are a lot of very knowledgeable and helpful people here, but, it just seems to me this forum has lately taken the low road.

Respectfully,

Jay

 

Bub

spacey

I respect Craigs views.
I haven't said a negative thing towards anybody.

I see it differently right or wrong.

Besides...with all the problems I've had in the past with different versions -saying
X2 is the smoothest just doesn't mean much to me anyway.
Still having the same ol problems....software bugs, hardware issues, updates, OS changes...
always something. Gotta love it.

I admit I haven't been keeping score....if more are having a great time with X2 then that's a good thing.
My view is from the troubled seats...just looks different from here.

My point behind my post was, I'm not the only one that sees these problems. I'm not making them up.

Nothing more, nothing less.

And I don't bring them up as much as everyone makes out I do either. Honestly, I can't even remember the last time I started a thread here in the X2 forum. There's just a handful of people here that despise the fact that I do chime in on threads and take the part of people when they are ganging up on them, and every single time it turns in to something ugly. And a lot of times they blow things way out of proportion just for the sake of bashing on me.

For example ... what was the point of JSGlen's post? "pitiful!". What good does it do to go in to the middle of a thread like this and add more trash to it unless you are trying to get a rise out of someone? No ... no anger there, just blame it all on me. Yep, every single bit of every thread that a certain few here don't like ... all my fault.

Bub,


Please explain how my post (your example) even relates to what you state above. My post was not directed at you, or anyone one in particular. I did not blame you, don't be so defensive.

It's just been one of THOSE threads....