GlennP


Sigh! All this arguing and bickering back and forth… I hope it wasn't something I said?  That is to say... my benign statement. 

This forum is full of immature children; if someone disagrees with curtain members then they are shot down in flames.  Anderson’s attitude being the worst he’s the most “hurt little child” of them all and suffering from a double dose of Pollyannaism. I excuse him because he’s the smart one making a buck out of the mug users of the DAW software industry, while the blind gullible devotes absorb the crap that you want someone to tell you. 

I realize it's not a fair fight when one person has facts, and the other person is armed only with opinions. And when your only response is an ad hominem attack, it's pretty clear who the little child is.
 
But...please carry on, and keep pushing the name of the magazine to the top of the forum stack! Yes, I have played your post like a violin. Have a nice day!
 

 

Neither of you are helping.

GlennP

I post here infrequently because I’m to busy making music. That’s right people; sonar is software to assist in making music. I state this because it seems to me that a significant number of forum members (like backwoods and jb101) think it’s a toy to fill in the hours of an unfulfilled existence. Too much spare time they have, because they no longer can make it as a muso. You need to stop and realise that you are emotionally and artistically crippled and all that is left for you is to play with yourself in your bedrooms and pretend…

That's kinda condescending.

It is never too late to take the high road...never.

Much better.

I don't necessarily agree with yorolpal in terms of other DAW's having issues. It is not the case. I have been using Studio One now for over two years and I could count the things I don't like about it on one tiny little hand. It is virtually faultless on my system here. The problem many Sonar users have is that because they have been using the program since day one they are afraid to really get into something else. And as a result they never really know how other DAW's are working out there. Only a few here can say they have.

Any software that causes crashes especially in a pressure income situation, looses work, looses hours, destroys reputations etc needs to be seriously reviewed. I can say that has never happened to me and if it did the program would be out the window quick smart. I have just finished a jingle and pushed my DAW real hard for four days now and not even a glitch. That is how it should be. The Sonar users that have their system working well would be OK in that situation but as many here are nowhere near a pressure situation you will never really find out how a program handles pressure. Believe me some do it well and others do not.

Look at my signature again people. While many (Craig included) are talking about people you are all of poor mind. A good habit is if you are about to say something about a person, STOP. Think no, I will do ideas instead. You will be amazed how different your posts will come out. Even events are uninteresting. Get the thread back to ideas and the ideas should be how to make Sonar X2 work great for people like Bub and others that are not having such a good time of it. And if those people cannot get it working, well then it is time to move on with another DAW and stop wasting time on this forum. Stop hanging on, just move on!

And Craig, I, (an others I am sure) am much more interested in what you have to say about techniques etc than people. You have probably said a little too much inappropriate stuff already. You are being drawn in. What we love about you is ideas, tips and techniques for great production. Get back to that. I love you for that stuff!  Thanks for that great article too on using the transpose features in Studio One in Sound on Sound a few months ago. I also enjoyed the midi seminar too at NAMM and all of the contributions from yourself and others was just fantastic. As you can see I am a bit of a midi maniac! Plus I was around then too when all that was happening. Took me back big time. (It was great to see Tom Oberheim and Dave Smith in the flesh too. I have been such a big Oberheim fan for many years and worshipped him a bit I think LOL! Yes I had 'The Oberheim System' and just getting that to work was a miracle. Owned and loved all the Sequential stuff too.)

LOL this thread is starting to take on the biitchiness of YouTube comments.....

I think it's about time the Cakewalk forum had an "arena" where discussions like this can be moved so that people can swipe at each other to their hearts content. Could be fun 

Jeff Evans


I don't necessarily agree with yorolpal in terms of other DAW's having issues. It is not the case. I have been using Studio One now for over two years and I could count the things I don't like about it on one tiny little hand. It is virtually faultless on my system here. The problem many Sonar users have is that because they have been using the program since day one they are afraid to really get into something else. And as a result they never really know how other DAW's are working out there. Only a few here can say they have.

Any software that causes crashes especially in a pressure income situation, looses work, looses hours, destroys reputations etc needs to be seriously reviewed. I can say that has never happened to me and if it did the program would be out the window quick smart. I have just finished a jingle and pushed my DAW real hard for four days now and not even a glitch. That is how it should be. The Sonar users that have their system working well would be OK in that situation but as many here are nowhere near a pressure situation you will never really find out how a program handles pressure. Believe me some do it well and others do not.

Look at my signature again people. While many (Craig included) are talking about people you are all of poor mind. A good habit is if you are about to say something about a person, STOP. Think no, I will do ideas instead. You will be amazed how different your posts will come out. Even events are uninteresting. Get the thread back to ideas and the ideas should be how to make Sonar X2 work great for people like Bub and others that are not having such a good time of it. And if those people cannot get it working, well then it is time to move on with another DAW and stop wasting time on this forum. Stop hanging on, just move on!

And Craig, I, (an others I am sure) am not that interested in what you have to say about other people. You have probably said a little too much inappropriate stuff already. It is simply not that professional. What we love about you is ideas, tips and techniques for great production. Get back to that. I love you for that stuff!  Thanks for that great article too on using the transpose features in Studio One in Sound on Sound a few months ago. I also enjoyed the midi seminar too at NAMM and all of the contributions from yourself and others was just fantastic. As you can see I am a bit of a midi maniac! Plus I was around then too when all that was happening. Took me back big time.

I like your ideas about sticking to ideas but this thread was taking aim at the reputation of a man I admire. It was never about ideas. It was trying to cast doubt on the veracity of a very fine person. Further, it was clearly wrong.  

Everyone has a right to defend their good name. Some people like myself guard their name fiercely and will defend it to the end. I can certainly understand his need to respond and correct the record. 

I posted a rebuttal that disputed the conclusions being drawn from a statement taken out of context and out of time. Yet the response was attack after attack. Name calling and dismissal followed. 

Now you take Mr. Anderton to task simply for responding to a bunch of rabble rousers that intend to bash Sonar and anyone that defends it. 

Personally, I think its great that he takes the time to be here and support this forum. I want to encourage that with all our esteemed members. And yes he is esteemed for all that he has done for each of us. And for being a really nice guy.  I think that of Jim and Scott too. We are blessed to have them. People have taken shots and all of them. It could be because they are liked and successful.  

The petty fights coming from petty people for whatever reason needs to stop. This forum is here to serve us and we should take better care of it.  

I object to your post for being aimed at the wrong persons. 

Hi... Sorry I've turned up late.... So what's the score so far? Who is winning?
Oh well back to my DAW then which has only crashed once since X2A came out. Guess it is a fluke.

John

Everyone has a right to defend their good name. Some people like myself guard their name fiercely and will defend it to the end. I can certainly understand his need to respond and correct the record. 

I posted a rebuttal that disputed the conclusions being drawn from a statement taken out of context and out of time. Yet the response was attack after attack. Name calling and dismissal followed.

Uh ... unless I'm mistaken ... post #4 is where the name calling and attacks started when you started calling people "trolls". You come off like you own this forum and are the peace keeper John, but Heaven forbid anyone goes against what you believe. Then they are "trolls and a few unsatisfied customer" as you prefer to call them.

That's quite a few people you are laying that distinction on. I'd say you've probably done a lot more damage here than I ever could in a thousand more of my 'angry' posts.

But ... like I said. It's all my fault. I'm the bad guy here for questioning anything that goes against your beliefs.

Honestly, I would think Cakewalk would step in and say something to you about this. I understand that there's nothing wrong with people who like their software, I like their software, but there's a difference between someone that likes a product, and the things you do here John. It's really really out there.

And your name? What name? Where do you work? Who do you write for? What have you produced? What music have you put out there for the whole world to hear like Craig Anderton has? I mean ... gee wiz, come on.

There is no comparison between you and Craig Anderton ... so stop putting yourself on the same pedestal, there's a huge difference between Craig Anderton standing up for himself, and some guy that goes to great lengths to protect his identity on a public forum. There is no name for you to protect. LOL!

You better take Jeff's advice, and think before you post, or take your own advice and just ignore us "trolls" because I'm certainly not going to curb my opinion because you throw a temper tantrum every time I post something ...