Good luck on those new endeavours Craig...let us know how that goes!!!

That should be interesting, Genghis, I mean Craig. Best wishes on the new venture.

;-)

Good luck Craig.
 
We'll miss a voice of reason... I mean sonar, err..  live

chuckebaby

there's just too much random garbage spewed in with sonar x1/x2 threads now.it used to be for legit questions for users to ask questions and get help.

It's been this way since X1 was released. The flaming goes up and down over the weeks/months, but it's pretty much been like this from the beginning of the Xx forum.

so what happen?

They changed too much too fast, took away too much too fast, and fixed too little too slow, and some people aren't happy about it. Some people have no problem working around bugs, others expect what they paid for to work. Neither one is wrong.

i think its whats happening in a lot of places not just here on this forum.
its called respect.respect is little and far between now a day.

I think people see things that corporations do as having an air of arrogance and are pretty tired of it, mainly because there's no avoiding it anymore. There doesn't seem to be any concern for what the consumer wants any more. It's all about the people in charge at corporations doing what they can to make the bottom line look better, with really very little concern of the consumer or their needs.

Prime example ... LINK. This company actually apologized and listened to their customers, but honestly ... WTF were they thinking in the first place? Who are these people in charge of these corporations making these decisions?

you used to have to earn respect.that doesnt even seem to work anymore.

Again, this goes back to my previous statement about a companies arrogance. People pay for a product, and they expect it to work. When time and time again the product has bugs, support is dropped, and you're only chance of getting better support is to pay the company more money, and the cycle never ends, people get frustrated. You see this more so with software than anything else because these software developers have gotten away with it for so long that it's become the norm to expect things to be broken to a certain extent, but that doesn't stop people from feeling ripped off about it, because in reality, you are getting ripped off. If it takes Roland completely trashing Sonar and re-writing their DAW code from the ground up, then they should do it, charge for it, and support it. Nobody here would have a problem with that.

i had a very productive night tonight,i know alot of you might not want to hear it but i finished tracking and mixing my new song(i just posted it in the forum"Jack it up") for over 6 hours straight.i didnt have one problem.not one.

now i know x2 isnt perfect but i think its far from having people claiming its broken.

that is a very harsh word to use.
to me broken means..it dont..at all...its broken.

now if you use the word,not working properly..that goes long way with me.cause i can understand that,i can also understand i might not be using some of the same features as some of you and there for things im not using,im not noticing

but G-dm it.
ive spent over 20 hours this past week on 5 songs.
the worst that happen to me was "sonarpdr.exe was running so i couldnt open up sonar.(i imagine it was because the way i closed a project or something.) so rebooted and was back in bizz.

Gee Chuck, who said X2 was broken? And why wouldn't anyone want to hear that you finished tracking? You need to calm down a little man. btw ... I've spent more time than you have in X2a this week.

i think we have a lot of fun here at this place.
but i do think sooner or later if the big dogs are poping in reading our threads are going to say one thing "Are we paying for this forum" ?
there going to say its an eye sore and remove it. 

think about it,if you were someone up there in roland managment reading this forum,would you let it go on?

Coming from a corporate environment myself, I'd venture to guess they agree with a lot of things that are said here, and let them ride because they can't say it themselves. So, I wouldn't worry about the forum being shut down.

there will always be new users,its a buisiness.
dont think because youve had 5 paid upgrades your family.its a buisiness.

Exactly. It is a business. They take a consumers money for a product and the consumer expects it to work. Funny how that goes isn't it?

there was no need to start this thread like you did glenn.
if your miserable in life,go find another hobby.
or learn to discuss a topic in a more mature manner.

The thread didn't get out of hand until post #4. That's when it started deteriorating. I personally feel that you're barking up the wrong tree, but I respect your opinion.

Rock on, ol pal.

The thread didn't get out of hand until post #4. That's when it started deteriorating. I personally feel that you're barking up the wrong tree, but I respect your opinion

 
Well...  in post # 7 you did write this: "We all know his article isn't accurate ... but if you say anything, then you're the bad guy, know what I mean?"
 
The article was written about the X2 rollout and even included that in its title.  And at that time I think things around here actually *were* pretty positive, especially compared to previous rollouts.  It was nice place to visit...   I guess I agree with Craig on that aspect - if things would have been brought down a notch when the timeframe was first clarified, the thread may have never made it to page 5.   But honestly, I really don't see it as being any one invididual's "fault" - as usual it's a group effort.  
 
 
 
 
PS.... I have to ask - is there really a "Peculiar" in MO?  
 

stevec

PS.... I have to ask - is there really a "Peculiar" in MO?  

Yes sir!

Population 4.6k. :)

bub those were metaphorical questions.
why must you think everything is aimed at you,or you feel like you need to answer everyones questions?

im not sure whats going on with you man,but everytime someone says something positive about x2 you feel that it is aimed towards your complaints.

i mentioned my song was in the forum as proof,
see im not just mentioning i have over 250 songs and not posting any of them.

if you have all those projects your talking about,or if you have spent more time in sonar x2 than me this week,what do you have to show for it?
because if you have more than 20 hours in,you must have something really great,atleast a few completed projects?
thats why i mentioned my song was in the forum.

this perticular post of mine,wasnt even aimed towards you.
but you felt as it was or felt the need to answer all these statements ive made.

every once in a while people want to make a post with out having someone go through there post with a finetooth comb.
and then tell them to calm down.
read in to my post what ever you'd like.

chuckebaby

bub those were metaphorical questions.
why must you think everything is aimed at you,or you feel like you need to answer everyones questions?

im not sure whats going on with you man,but everytime someone says something positive about x2 you feel that it is aimed towards your complaints.

i mentioned my song was in the forum as proof,
see im not just mentioning i have over 250 songs and not posting any of them.

if you have all those projects your talking about,or if you have spent more time in sonar x2 than me this week,what do you have to show for it?
because if you have more than 20 hours in,you must have something really great,atleast a few completed projects?
thats why i mentioned my song was in the forum.

this perticular post of mine,wasnt even aimed towards you.
but you felt as it was or felt the need to answer all these statements ive made.

every once in a while people want to make a post with out having someone go through there post with a finetooth comb.
and then tell them to calm down.
read in to my post what ever you'd like.

So ... is this post something I can comment on or not.

You tell me, then I'll respond.

Ok?

 
I've always been of the opinion that anyone who's paid for the software has every right to present their opinion whenever and wherever they like. Someone who's experienced nothing but trouble has as much right to say so as someone for whom the program runs like a dream.
 
That said, what's allowed to remain in this forum, and what is to be removed, is completely up to our hosts.
 
I've worked for myself in business, and I'll say one thing - although it's nice to be praised, the opinions I'd really pay attention to are the complaints. Sycophantic drivel (of the sort some around here are all too guilty of) will achieve absolutely nothing in driving the product forward, but the genuine experiences of those for whom the software isn't perfect certainly might.
 
By all means, use the fault reporting system and the feaure request when appropriate, but surely that doesn't mean we can't have a grown up conversation about our DAW of choice.
 
All too often the term "bashing Cakewalk" is just used as a euphemism for "someone who doesn't agree with me".